Blue versus Black Tramp Fabric?

Both tramps are the same, I have used both and there really is no difference, the only criteria is does it match the color scheme of your cat. I have a P15 with yellow decks, white hulls, a blue mesh tramp would not co-ordinate with that so I went with the black. Prior to that I had a P18 with white hulls, there was some blue in the main, so I went with the blue. As long as you protect both tramp and stitching from the UV rays, they will last a long time, remove tramp in winter when not in use, cover tramp in summer when not in use.

Absoulutely go with the best thread offered, will more than pay for itself over time. I often have to restitch a tramp 2 or 3 times before being ready for a new one, and that's using premium thread and keeping it covered whenever not out sailing.

Dave

Hey Dave.. I have to do a repair on the small patches that support the gromits in the tramp.. The stitching and thread is shot.. They are small patches about 2.5 in square and are heavy vinal supporting the gromit in the mesh tramp.. Questions?? What kind of thread and where to buy it?? Is it easier to take the tramp off to stich it .. or have you done it with 2 guys, one on top and the other below?? This one is on a H-17 and it looks like I have to take the boat apart to get the tramp off.. I guess if I took it off I could send it out to be done.. Looks like a great winter project though.. !!

Thx Hal

or have you done it with 2 guys, one on top and the other below??

😀

HAPPY NEW YEAR HAL!!!

You want a UV resistant thread, and teflon is a fairly common hi tech thread. And there may be others. Not sure where to find it, sailrite.com is a possiblility, or check with a local upholsterer who does outdoor stuff or boat cushions and covers. Hand stitching with two guys should work for a small repair(you'l need a very stout needle and a couple of thimbles), although the tramp should come off reasonable easily, and zig zag stitching is probably stronger than your in situ sewing job. Good luck!

Dave

Edited by davefarmer on Jan 01, 2013 - 05:44 PM.

HAPPY NEW YEAR Mr Prindle.. Sent ya a message the other day from the one you sent me in November. Dont sign on her often in the winter unless it is a sales opportunity. Best email for me is sailing.(first name.last name) at gmail.com. Been missen our chit chat. U bee putten on some winter pounds so ya can hold that girl down this spring?? Wish I lived closer.. Got to check Mississippi to see if I can ship some of that kik-a-poo joy juce to ya. It is a hit with the chicks.. Cheers

Thanks Dave.. Might try to get the tramp off with out a full dissasemble. (God I wish this had a spell check..) The mesh is good but it would be good to re-do that as well..

Any one here with a H 17 taken the tramp off???

Happy New Year to all !! Hal

I took the tramp off my H17 but I had to pretty much disassemble the boat. However the H17 is not all that hard to take apart. it is only 4 bolts and I recommend doing it and checking all the castings on the ends where the beams slide in. They tend to work loose over time and this is good time to make sure everything nice and tight an stays where it should.

My tramp was one of those diagonally cut vinyl ones. It looks like some of the newer multi-part ones you could get away with taking the main tramp off and just leave 2 small strips on the from and back beam in place all the time. I have not put mine back together yet because I need to fix the wing pockets and have not got around to it yet. If I do with the same tramp i will not likely take it off again until I get a new tramp. I'll just drop it off the trailer to the ground in the winter so the snow weight is distributed better.

The Black tramp material is supposed to last longer in the sun but i think if you like blue get it and just take care to cover as much as possible when not in use.

Thanks. I recall reading someones's comment in the past that the blue is not as durable so maybe there is something to that. Along the same line it is also my impression that the Blue fades more in the sun. Blue would match well but if durability is in question I will probably just go with the black.

fun2themax wrote: Thanks. I recall reading someones's comment in the past that the blue is not as durable so maybe there is something to that. Along the same line it is also my impression that the Blue fades more in the sun. Blue would match well but if durability is in question I will probably just go with the black.

Steve, don't believe everything you read. The blue looks great and will hold up just fine, and get the Teflon thread, worth every penny. Since you mentioned Sunrise, just call and talk to Richard. He is topnotch, they have outstanding workmanship, and he will stand behind his product for as long as you own it. They've been doing this a long time.

Since you mentioned Sunrise, just call and talk to Richard. He is topnotch, they have outstanding workmanship, and he will stand behind his product for as long as you own it. They've been doing this a long time.

Thanks Philip. I do intend to call Sunrise for their reccomendation before I make the final decision. Just trying to see what experiences others have had with the blue material before I make that call. Sometimes it can be a challenge distinguishing fact from opinon!

fun2themax wrote: Sometimes it can be a challenge distinguishing fact from opinion!

Bingo!

+1 for sunrise and Richard
My current (sunrise) tramp is almost 7 years old, i sail in salt water every weekend, and is almost never covered. I have had it re-stitched 1 time.

Edited by MN3 on Jan 03, 2013 - 11:37 AM.

I have had it re-stitched 1 time.

Question for Andrew, & others who have restitched tramps.
I remember seeing a post,( I think it might have been ERICE) regarding the needles used. Something about a triangle needle, or a dull one, to prevent cutting of the fabric which leads to it unravelling.
I have a Sunrise tramp on the 5.0 that needs to be restitched this spring. Is there anything one needs to be aware of when having it done, with regards to needles used?

sorry, no idea, but i bet sunrise would gladly advise ya

my restitching was to repair pockets, and re-sleeve the bolt ropes on the hull sides.

i didn't, and wish i brought it back to sunrise.

The guy who did it made the pockets wrong, and unusable, and wouldn't fix them without charge. (I had a friend fix it)

Both my cats started out with blue tramps and were replaced with black.
The blue fades faster and the blue hiking straps decay much faster than the black.
The Tenara (Teflon) thread is more expensive up front ($50) but will save you time, trouble and restitching expense in the long run- you'll start restitching in 4 to 5 years. Not so with Tenara.

Something about a triangle needle, or a dull one, to prevent cutting of the fabric which leads to it unravelling.

"Ball Point Needle" is the type you need.

If you are hand sewing, the needle has a triangular mid-section. It is difficult to push these needles through multiple layers of mesh- especially vinyl coated poly. You may need a sewing palm.

The proper sewing machine needles have the ball point but the standard round midsection.

I am trying to justify bying new tramp vs restiching for my recently purchased 1992 Nacra 5.0. The exisiting tramp which is the original Nacra tramp needs new foot straps and complete restiching. The material is still in good shape but threads are almost gone. Do you guys know the cost of restiching?

The estimate for restiching my 570 tramp from SLO was $50 - $80 depending on complexity and not including the shipping cost.

i sent SLO a tramp, they never returned it, nor returned my calls.
GO ELSEWHERE

just found another post about them as well

"Recieved new Sails

I did get my new sails. However I was disappointed in that they promised me them by a certain date and didn't deliver. Not only that, but they stopped answering my emails asking for a new delivery date and also did not return my phone calls."

http://sailingforums.com/threads/experience-with-slo-sails.25777/

Edited by MN3 on Jan 07, 2013 - 09:05 AM.

Just to clarify, I was not reccomending SLO, I was just using their quote to give an idea of the cost. I have corresponded with them via email but i have not purchased anything from them so I have no personal experience with their work. I decided not to restich my old tramp and have elected to spend the extra money and go with Sunrise for my new one.

Sunrise makes a quality product. I have a SLO trampoline on my SOLCAT that I thought was really nice until I saw a new Sunrise on a friends cat. Attention to detail and little things like the vinyl coating of the bolt roping so it won't be abraded overtime when mounted in the cross bars and side rails. That's the stuff that makes the difference in the long run. You'll be happy with your purchase, I'm sure.

I'm assuming you went with Black then since they don't make blue ones anymore, or did they have one in stock?

They do still have the blue material but.... They told me that the blue and black fabric is the same except that the black fabric contains carbon black coloring which blocks more of the UV rays. They said the blue tramps will fade quicker and fail a little sooner than the black tramps in areas with high UV exposure. Due to this I will go with the black for durability. The next issue is that their standard tramp for my N570 is not exactly the same as my stock tramp. The stock tramp is one piece, not bias cut, pipe sleave in aft, and grommets/lacing on length of one side to tighten side to side. Their standard replacement differs in that it is bias cut (better) and it does not have the grommets/lacing on side. He said the bias cut would tighten fine from the aft pipe sleave only with out the side lacing but I am concerned that if it doesn't I will have a droopy tramp. I think I will ask what it would cost for them to add the side grommets/lacing. Does anyone have any experience with single piece bias tramps without the side lacing for side to side tightening? Trying to determine if I need to insist on it or not?

fun2themax wrote: He said the bias cut would tighten fine from the aft pipe sleave only with out the side lacing but . . .

Steve,
You should listen to the voice of a professional with experience.

For your desire to seek the experience of others, I have owned several bias cut Sunrise tramps. Rest assured that the more you tighten it, the tighter the tramp will become. It works as good, if not better than side lace tramps. It's just the way a bias cut works. But if you insist on adding a side lacing, you have defeated the very reason for getting the bias cut. Make sense??

+1

I have owned several bias cut Sunrise tramps. Rest assured that the more you tighten it, the tighter the tramp will become. It works as good,

Thanks Philip and Andrew. Yes it does make sense. Sounds like I need to quit thinking about it and just trust the technogy!

fun2themax wrote: The estimate for restiching my 570 tramp from SLO was $50 - $80 depending on complexity and not including the shipping cost.

Thanks Steve
After I pulled my old tramp and farther inspection I have decided to go with the new one.

Can you guys give my Sunrise's phone number or web site?

http://www.multihullnets.com/

Well, I changed my mind at the last minute. When I called to order the tramp from Sunrise I talked a little more with Richard about the pro's and con's of blue versus black fabric. According to Richard, the black fabric will last longer before failure than the blue material under high UV exposure because the carbon black blocks some of the UV rays. But, because it contains carbon black at some point well ahead of failure the carbon black will start rubbing off of the material onto your knees etc (not an issue with the blue). Not a material failure issue but a bit annoying. This is happening with my current tramp which is why I am replacing it instead of restiching it. So, I decided to go with the blue fabric, bias cut design, and teflon thread and I will be storing it in the shade under a car port. They estimated a few weeks to get it out but they ended up shipping it 8 days after I ordered it. Richard was very knowledgable and helpful and I've been very pleased with Sunrise throughout the entire process. Should be arriving soon!!