interesting.. i hadn't thought about stripping the core to get a flatter sheet... i thought it was the Dacron jacket that did the damage...i thought stripping the jacket was the answer. let me mull over this a bit..
At this time, i am trying to NOT spend money on my cat (isn't working) as i have just moved into a new house and its emptying my bank account... so the idea of NOT buying a new halyard is appealing (also not getting a tapered main at this time.. i will SUFFER with my racing sheets 🙂
Philip.. your rummy is waiting for you at my cooler...
MN3
Holy moly that looks complicated! Do you guys really do a lot of this tapering/spicing? Still always though provoking! I'll never look at ropes again the same way.
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Hahah.. if you are refering to the end to end splice link above,.. that is a bit complicated but a simple eyesplice is very easy to do (in 12 strand single braid like spectra/vectran etc)...
i saw a friend had a real soft line (amsteel) as his 4way adjuster (that goes accross the tramp) and i hated my steel cable (cheeze grader) so he showed me the basics of splicing and i got some fids.. i was all gung-ho on it for a month or so.. but in the end.,, i find HM line NOT all that useful on my cat... dynema creeps (stretch over time) so it needs to be somewhere creep doesnt matter (or re-adjusted) and vectran has no creep but is not soft. I have only found a couple of places where a HM line/splice have any actuall value (besides the cool factor)
I will make spectra trap lines when i need to replace my current ones.
Perhaps i will make a video showing how easy a simple eye splice is to make
MN3
I was looking at the APSltd site. Looks like I could taper to an amsteel line and then put an eye splice in the end of the amsteel to connect to the block without a knot.
This is what I'd planned to do, but when it came time, the HM lines required so much of the tail to run back up inside itself that it actually doubled the thickness of the sheet over halfway back to the end to end splice....so it was stiff and worthless.
I ended up putting a whiplock on the end, tying a bowline, and burying the bitter end back into the loop of the bowline just to clean it up.
The loads on the sheet don't matter to the 1/4" HM line at all.
The 12 strand single braids seem so easy to splice end to end, that my guess is that you can have a fairly large difference in diameters. They are kind of like chinese finger traps - if you just keep working two points towards each other the diameter grows and grows. If I had to do it over I'd try 3/16 or even 1/8 on the smaller one instead. It would make for a very ugly splice but I don't think it would be functionally affected at all.
Don't forget I've done the end to end all of 1 time in production, so take it FWIW.
Rob
Nacra 5.2
OKC, OK
andrewscott wrote:
a good splice will have a nice long tail/tuck that has been correctly tapered and the transition is extremely smooth.
Mine is fugly but works perfectly. Its very malleable. I was concerned that I'd have a stiff spot in it that wouldn't run well but its not an issue at all.
Rob
Nacra 5.2
OKC, OK
the HM lines required so much of the tail to run back up inside itself that it actually doubled the thickness of the sheet over halfway back to the end to end splice....so it was stiff and worthless.
You're doing it all wrong. Use a brummel splice and bury a few inches after tapering it. You only need to taper a few inches.
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. . . for Pete's sake, how in the hell do you add a picture without hosting it to a website??
edited by: mummp, Dec 05, 2009 - 07:56 AM
Philip
mummp wrote:
You're doing it all wrong. Use a brummel splice and bury a few inches after tapering it. You only need to taper a few inches.
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. . . for Pete's sake, how in the hell do you add a picture without hosting it to a website??edited by: mummp, Dec 05, 2009 - 07:56 AM
Oh, I used Yale's class 2 eye splice, which has about 6 fids of line in the tail after the eye. I'll have to look for a brummel splice.
I don't know that you can upload a pic. I let picasa host most of mine....free and easy to use and easy to link to.
Rob
Nacra 5.2
OKC, OK
brummel splice - http://www.precourt.ca/brummel_splice.pdf
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http://www.newenglandropes.com/SPL_12Strand_EyeSpliceBrummel.aspx
MN3
Oh. Thanks.
I made one of these in my first and only attempt at a soft shackle. I didn't have instructions, though, so I pulled the entire length of line through the knot to make it work. This looks much more practical.
Rob
Nacra 5.2
OKC, OK