1981 GCat 5.0 Jib and Main Sheet Rigging Pics

https://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures?g2_itemId=86940&g2_GALLERYSID=ddfc84dfaec0d7fed0d756276c00601c

Sorry, this is all I have on my old GCat, no rigging pics though....
You will have to source a boom, GCat boom sits at a 35-40 degree angle, attaches to the gooseneck located at bottom of mast.

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Edited by the-renovator on Aug 16, 2017 - 10:50 AM.

rockypointbob wrote: I recently purchased an 81 GCat 5.0 but she's needing a lot of TLC. Already received lots of good advice from this forum.

Anyone have some pics of the jib and main sheet (no boom) rigging? I'm going to have to replace it all and while I could probably figure it out eventually, it would be great to have some pics to go by.

Thanks

There is a g-cat manual on this site somewhere - try searching for it (top right of every page)
there a tons of pictures online - try searching google for them
there is a g-cat facebook group - the real OG (hans Geissler) occasionally posts on it

you can rig these cats dozens of ways, often a sailor will work with what they have and improve on it over time and may have their own "system"

If your asking how to reeve your main blocks, or jib, ya gotta show us what you have before we can tell you how to set it up (pics) 🙂

if you have harken blocks (or even if not) i would suggest you search their site for how to reeve a 5:1 or 6:1 and so on (they now sell 10:1 for cats, maybe even more ...)

Edited by MN3 on Aug 16, 2017 - 11:46 AM.

https://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures/?g2_itemId=80967
HTH

the-renovator wrote: https://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures?g2_itemId=86940&g2_GALLERYSID=ddfc84dfaec0d7fed0d756276c00601c

Sorry, this is all I have on my old GCat, no rigging pics though....
You will have to source a boom, GCat boom sits at a 35-40 degree angle, attaches to the gooseneck located at bottom of mast.

REdited by the-renovator on Aug 16, 2017 - 10:50 AM.

This is great! Lots of great pics that will be very helpful as I drive on with the refurb....thank you!

MN3 wrote: [quote=rockypointbob]I recently purchased an 81 GCat 5.0 but she's needing a lot of TLC. Already received lots of good advice from this forum.

Anyone have some pics of the jib and main sheet (no boom) rigging? I'm going to have to replace it all and while I could probably figure it out eventually, it would be great to have some pics to go by.

Thanks

There is a g-cat manual on this site somewhere - try searching for it (top right of every page)
there a tons of pictures online - try searching google for them
there is a g-cat facebook group - the real OG (hans Geissler) occasionally posts on it

you can rig these cats dozens of ways, often a sailor will work with what they have and improve on it over time and may have their own "system"

If your asking how to reeve your main blocks, or jib, ya gotta show us what you have before we can tell you how to set it up (pics) 🙂

if you have harken blocks (or even if not) i would suggest you search their site for how to reeve a 5:1 or 6:1 and so on (they now sell 10:1 for cats, maybe even more ...)Edited by MN3 on Aug 16, 2017 - 11:46 AM.

Ok, I will get more pics posted soon to show what I have to work with. I think I have the mainsheet figured out. But its the jib sheet I'm not sure about. When I had the old aft tramp installed, there were two grommet holes on the tramp with a rope through each that was part of the jib rigging. But when I received the new aft tramp, it doesn't have these grommet holes, rather it has two straps running fore and aft with a loop....I'll have to provide a pic. Is this the barber haul?

turbohobo wrote: https://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures/?g2_itemId=80967
HTH

Cool, thanks for the link to the manual!

When I had the old aft tramp installed, there were two grommet holes on the tramp with a rope through each that was part of the jib rigging. But when I received the new aft tramp, it doesn't have these grommet holes, rather it has two straps running fore and aft with a loop....I'll have to provide a pic. Is this the barber haul?

i assume your talking about the jib blocks - again lots of ways to attach these - sometimes they are static and attached through holes in the tramp - sometimes attached there is a wire or line that goes across the tramp (port to starboard) that the blocks are attached to. with the use of another line (and turning block) that pulls the blocks out to the side of the boat (outhauled for downwind sailing) or allows them to slide inboard (inhauled for up wind use)

we will have to see what you got and recommend how to rig it (or follow the set up manual)

Edited by MN3 on Aug 17, 2017 - 08:38 AM.

There was likely a rope that connected the two jib blocks (one port and one starboard jib block) and had a jam cleat in the middle of the tramp that is used to bring the jib blocks in and let them out. This is the barberhaul system on a stock G-Cat 5.0. You do not need to run the line for the barber haul system through grommets on the tramp. Regarding the two straps running aft on the new tramp, those are just foot straps.

rockypointbob wrote:

Ok, I will get more pics posted soon to show what I have to work with. I think I have the mainsheet figured out. But its the jib sheet I'm not sure about. When I had the old aft tramp installed, there were two grommet holes on the tramp with a rope through each that was part of the jib rigging. But when I received the new aft tramp, it doesn't have these grommet holes, rather it has two straps running fore and aft with a loop....I'll have to provide a pic. Is this the barber haul?

Edited by jsb4g on Aug 18, 2017 - 09:14 PM.

. This is the barberhaul system on a stock G-Cat 5.0.

This is not the barber haul system - The barber hauler refers to moving the jib (clew/aft lower corner) forward (to the front beam) and out (to the ends of the front beam).

This is called a 4 way adjuster if it can move port/stbd/forward/aft
it can be refereed to as an jib outhaul system, but defiantly not the barber-hauler

I have a stock G-Cat 5.0 that I love. It's a super simple boat to rig. The main is a loose footed setup but you need a boom. It works fine without one but it's slower. The jib is a lot like my Hobie 20 - zippered up the forestay, but it likes to be a bit loose - small diameter line at the bridals barely snug - because when you sheet in the main hard you didn't want to bust the zipper on the jib. There's no 4 way system. There's a 6" wire at each jib block that lets you pull them in with a simple jam/block cleat in the middle of the tramp for up wind. Loosen it for downwind and both blocks travel out and up to fill up the jib. Great design.
If you're going to Juana's good time regatta find me. I'll have my G-Cat there on the beach. Take it for a spin!

Fxloop has a beautiful GCat. probably the nicest looking old boat I've seen

MN3 wrote:

. This is the barberhaul system on a stock G-Cat 5.0.

This is not the barber haul system - The barber hauler refers to moving the jib (clew/aft lower corner) forward (to the front beam) and out (to the ends of the front beam).

This is called a 4 way adjuster if it can move port/stbd/forward/aft
it can be refereed to as an jib outhaul system, but defiantly not the barber-hauler

See FXLoop's comment about there not being a 4 way adjustment. I agree with that. Also, I assure you, the GCat has a barberhauler that connects the two jib blocks with line and a small block with a jam cleat. For a visual, please refer the the GCat assembly guide posted on this site...look at the portion of the guide aptly labeled "barber hauler".

MN3 wrote:

When I had the old aft tramp installed, there were two grommet holes on the tramp with a rope through each that was part of the jib rigging. But when I received the new aft tramp, it doesn't have these grommet holes, rather it has two straps running fore and aft with a loop....I'll have to provide a pic. Is this the barber haul?

i assume your talking about the jib blocks - again lots of ways to attach these - sometimes they are static and attached through holes in the tramp - sometimes attached there is a wire or line that goes across the tramp (port to starboard) that the blocks are attached to. with the use of another line (and turning block) that pulls the blocks out to the side of the boat (outhauled for downwind sailing) or allows them to slide inboard (inhauled for up wind use)

we will have to see what you got and recommend how to rig it (or follow the set up manual)Edited by MN3 on Aug 17, 2017 - 08:38 AM.

The jib blocks attach to the hulls with a short swaged wire line. They Do NOT connect to the tramp, nor can the short wire be threaded through a grommet on the tramp.i am noticing a trend with your GCat related posts.

See FXLoop's comment about there not being a 4 way adjustment. I agree with that.

i said "4 way adjuster if it can move port/stbd/forward/aft"

"Easy Rigging a Barber Hauler on Your Boat

A Barber Hauler was invented by the Barber brothers. They wanted to be able to further control the shape of the jibsail and the position of the jibsail clew. On cruising boats, its not sometimes practical to go to all the extra expense of installing all the gear they originally suggested and so various forms of achieving this have been devised and loosely now they are all called Barber Haulers."

It may be loosely correct to call any system that adjusts the clew a barberhauler but on a beach cat, it's typically expected to be a separate system (although Hobie does call a 4 way adjuster a barber hauler)

If you crew with sailors on a beach cat, and they order you to set the barberhauler - they will (typically) expect crew to pull the jib clew forward to the front beam via the barber-hauler, not the jib block outhaul, even if it has a 4 way system since adjusting the 4 way system is much more involved and time consuming than sheeting and cleating 1 line

Below are examples of typical beach catamaran setup of barberhauler - by adding line, turning blocks and some type of ring (or block) to pull the jib sheet - a secondary jib control system:

Yellow is the barberhauler line
green are the rings that pull the jib sheet into the right position to be barber-hauled

completely independent of the jib blocks which are on their own separate outhaul system (4 way adjuster since they can also move forward/aft)

In this image, if the person holding the jib moved the clew (corner) out to the end of the hull - this would be the typical location of a jib when a barber hauler is used

The jib blocks attach to the hulls with a short swaged wire line. They Do NOT connect to the tramp, nor can the short wire be threaded through a grommet on the tramp.

There are dozens and dozens of ways to rig your cat - you CAN connect to the tramp, or run the wire/line through above or under your tramp - depends on needs and wants of the capt.

Edited by MN3 on Aug 21, 2017 - 09:56 AM.

The question was how to rig a G-Cat, presumably as it was designed. See here:

https://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures?g2_itemId=77824&g2_imageViewsIndex=1&g2_GALLERYSID=fafa3e357f8675431b356efc9f10fd7e

and diagram "C" here:

https://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures?g2_itemId=77828&g2_imageViewsIndex=1

Hope this helps.

MN3 wrote:

See FXLoop's comment about there not being a 4 way adjustment. I agree with that.

i said "4 way adjuster if it can move port/stbd/forward/aft"

"Easy Rigging a Barber Hauler on Your Boat

A Barber Hauler was invented by the Barber brothers. They wanted to be able to further control the shape of the jibsail and the position of the jibsail clew. On cruising boats, its not sometimes practical to go to all the extra expense of installing all the gear they originally suggested and so various forms of achieving this have been devised and loosely now they are all called Barber Haulers."

It may be loosely correct to call any system that adjusts the clew a barberhauler but on a beach cat, it's typically expected to be a separate system (although Hobie does call a 4 way adjuster a barber hauler)

If you crew with sailors on a beach cat, and they order you to set the barberhauler - they will (typically) expect crew to pull the jib clew forward to the front beam via the barber-hauler, not the jib block outhaul, even if it has a 4 way system since adjusting the 4 way system is much more involved and time consuming than sheeting and cleating 1 line

Below are examples of typical beach catamaran setup of barberhauler - by adding line, turning blocks and some type of ring (or block) to pull the jib sheet - a secondary jib control system:

Yellow is the barberhauler line
green are the rings that pull the jib sheet into the right position to be barber-hauled

completely independent of the jib blocks which are on their own separate outhaul system (4 way adjuster since they can also move forward/aft)

In this image, if the person holding the jib moved the clew (corner) out to the end of the hull - this would be the typical location of a jib when a barber hauler is used

The jib blocks attach to the hulls with a short swaged wire line. They Do NOT connect to the tramp, nor can the short wire be threaded through a grommet on the tramp.

There are dozens and dozens of ways to rig your cat - you CAN connect to the tramp, or run the wire/line through above or under your tramp - depends on needs and wants of the capt.Edited by MN3 on Aug 21, 2017 - 09:56 AM.

The question was how to rig a G-Cat, presumably as it was designed

OP said when he purchased the boat the jib was rigged through grommets on his tramp. This was not rigged as per the old 5.0 manual. nothing wrong with doing it that way. Every method of rigging has its pros & cons

Specifically, the questions was about how to rig his jib now that his new gear (tramp) did not include the grommets the old system was utilizing. It was suggested he provide images of his current gear and look at the manual in the second response to his post. The links were posted 5 times above? no real need for you to repeat all that data.

It was also posted to the OP "we will have to see what you got and recommend how to rig it (or follow the set up manual)"

The designer / creator of G-cat doesn't rig his 5.0 (currently) the way that old manual shows (I sailed with him saturday and was looking at his set up )

Edited by MN3 on Aug 22, 2017 - 08:30 AM.

I've been told my hulls should be finished this weekend. If that's the case, I'll be able to install the new tramps and start playing with the rigging. Will get some pics posted as soon as I can.

Thanks all for the information....this is certainly a learning experience!

awesome!
did you say your getting the work done in Mexico ?
where will you mostly sail?

Sent you a Private Message as well

rockypointbob wrote: I've been told my hulls should be finished this weekend. If that's the case, I'll be able to install the new tramps and start playing with the rigging. Will get some pics posted as soon as I can.

Thanks all for the information....this is certainly a learning experience!

Edited by MN3 on Aug 22, 2017 - 09:10 AM.

MN3 wrote:

The question was how to rig a G-Cat, presumably as it was designed

OP said when he purchased the boat the jib was rigged through grommets on his tramp. This was not rigged as per the old 5.0 manual. nothing wrong with doing it that way. Every method of rigging has its pros & cons

Specifically, the questions was about how to rig his jib now that his new gear (tramp) did not include the grommets the old system was utilizing. It was suggested he provide images of his current gear and look at the manual in the second response to his post. The links were posted 5 times above? no real need for you to repeat all that data.

It was also posted to the OP "we will have to see what you got and recommend how to rig it (or follow the set up manual)"

The designer / creator of G-cat doesn't rig his 5.0 (currently) the way that old manual shows (I sailed with him saturday and was looking at his set up )Edited by MN3 on Aug 22, 2017 - 08:30 AM.

The designer has a highly modified gcat with a reacher, among other advanced features. So not the best comparison if he's going for a stock setup... i know your point is you can modify things many ways and/or rig things differently. Fair enough, but if someone is going for a stock rig, my suggestion is pertinent.

Edited by jsb4g on Aug 23, 2017 - 08:01 AM.

rockypointbob wrote: I recently purchased an 81 GCat 5.0 but she's needing a lot of TLC. Already received lots of good advice from this forum.

Anyone have some pics of the jib and main sheet (no boom) rigging? I'm going to have to replace it all and while I could probably figure it out eventually, it would be great to have some pics to go by.

Thanks

If you need rigging specs, pm me...I have OEM specs for all standing and running rigging. .. length, size, etc....to my knowledge, it is not available anywhere publicly.

The designer has a highly modified gcat with a reacher, among other advanced features. So not the best comparison if he's going for a stock setup...

you just keep trying to prove me wrong or discredit what I say- and you really don't know what you are talking about

the only thing "modern design" about this 35 year old cat is the sail

This was 4 days ago

Edited by MN3 on Aug 23, 2017 - 08:37 AM.

MN3 wrote:

The designer has a highly modified gcat with a reacher, among other advanced features. So not the best comparison if he's going for a stock setup...

you just keep trying to prove me wrong or discredit what I say- and you really don't know what you are talking about

the only thing "modern design" about this 35 year old cat is the sail

This was 4 days ago
Edited by MN3 on Aug 23, 2017 - 08:37 AM.

Ha. To name a few, no boom (requires significant change to sail plan according to sail makers you have recommended) downhaul is upgraded and radically different from stock, crossbeam came from 5.7 production line as it has cleats for the 5.7 style barber haul (maybe something his company did with overstock since cross beams are otherwise the same and I've seen it before). However, he does appear to be using the std 5.0 barberhauler setup.

Edited by jsb4g on Aug 23, 2017 - 01:28 PM.

When you state a boat has been "highly modified , among other advanced features" and the truth is it has added a few better blocks .... your miles apart from being accurate

downhaul is upgraded

nothing highly modified about adding some additional turning blocks and better cleat to a Cunningham system-

crossbeam came from 5.7 production line as it has cleats for the 5.7 style barber haul.

Hans used the same extrusion - do adding turning blocks at the end make it highly modified ? (btw- this is not in use-
currently not even reeved)

However, he does appear to be using the std 5.0 barberhauler setup.

not using the setup as the manual - if that is what you are calling "standard"

This is all old school technology, blocks and cleats
same old design, albeit he has improved upon the setup by adding additional turns for better response to his sheeting and for his needs (fast sailing) -

i believe that was my point the entire time -
Most recreational,non OD racers sailors start with what hardware they have on hand and add if needed to make work, and modify over time to best fit their needs
- ymmv

if someone is going for a stock rig, my suggestion is pertinent.

You are the only one who has mentioned Stock rigging

Edited by MN3 on Aug 23, 2017 - 01:38 PM.

Deleted. Not worth the waste of time.

Edited by jsb4g on Aug 23, 2017 - 07:59 PM.

Could be time for MN3 and jsb4g to go sailing and have a beer or five together. :prost: Pretty sure you share the Florida West Coast.

But don't start agreeing on anything, it would hurt the page views for the site. :ticktick:

DamonLinkous wrote: Could be time for MN3 and jsb4g to go sailing and have a beer or five together. :prost: Pretty sure you share the Florida West Coast.

But don't start agreeing on anything, it would hurt the page views for the site. :ticktick:

:wall:

Edited by jsb4g on Aug 23, 2017 - 08:03 PM.

jsb4g wrote: Have you ever rigged a GCat yourself? I think not.

rig solo? nope

rig as knowledgeable crew who knows how every system on the boat works and can solo helm without issue - dozens and dozens of times - i crew on a 5.0 and 5.7's and handle aspect and line from the main to the spin halyard. "Stock" reeving and many "non stock setups" - what's your point?

MN3 wrote: the only thing "modern design" about this 35 year old cat is the sail

jsb4g wrote: You said the only difference was sails.

if your so hung up on what I said ... - please re-inspect

It may be that the only thing that is original is the barberhauler set up and the hulls.

so your saying that g-cats can be rigged all sorts of ways besides the manual, right?
What's your point - cause that was mine

carry on

:liar:

MN3 wrote: [quote=jsb4g]Have you ever rigged a GCat yourself? I think not.

rig solo? nope

rig as knowledgeable crew who knows how every system on the boat works and can solo helm without issue - dozens and dozens of times - i crew on a 5.0 and 5.7's and handle aspect and line from the main to the spin halyard. "Stock" reeving and many "non stock setups" - what's your point?

MN3 wrote: the only thing "modern design" about this 35 year old cat is the sail

jsb4g wrote: You said the only difference was sails.

if your so hung up on what I said ... - please re-inspect

It may be that the only thing that is original is the barberhauler set up and the hulls.

so your saying that g-cats can be rigged all sorts of ways besides the manual, right?
What's your point - cause that was mine

carry on

Edited by jsb4g on Aug 23, 2017 - 08:50 PM.