If you interested to get a foiling cat the S 9 is yr best option

It's a really cool little boat!! Would LOVE to see a fleet of them here in the US!!

They say from 40 to 80 Kg (88 to 176 pounds) for crew. What does the boat weigh? Seems like a pretty small boat, at least for Americans. 😎

Larger models on the way?

Strange thread Damon. The first post is an advertisement, which isn't unusual in itself except no web site and no links. But the second is a person who registered in 2006 but has never posted until now, and just to endorse this advert but and no questions... Something fishy going on here. Or maybe I've been on the internet too long.

The youtube video I googled looks cool though.

DamonLinkous wrote: What does the boat weigh?

172 lbs. (78 kilos)

In the video the boat rarely ever lifts off. It is simply heeled over like a typical catamaran, note when it does 'lift off' the leeward hull goes much higher in the air, stays up very briefly and then falls back to the surface. This is with an extremely light crewman and the point of sail is a broad run. (fastest direction for foiling) Let's see some better video and some REAL foiling with a 200 lb helmsman. Take a look at the pictures, the foiling wand is attached with a very crude one off fixture that looks to be the prototype. Appears to me that they have some work to do before this boat is really ready to market.

Havliii
if you are really interested to foiling cats, take note that I am ready to arrange for you a testsail of the S 9 in Texas. I am sure that at the end you'll have a positive opinion on the Italian cat.
If you cannot make it, I suggest you to get in contact with any of the US catsailors I mentioned in the prevoius post before posting inaccurate comments:
they can tell you how the S 9 sails in the whole range of wind/wave conditions and dispel your impression that the S 9 is not a well sorted out boat

I for one am pleased to see this announcement of an S9 coming to the U.S. where we are offered an opportunity to test sail one. Too few of these manufacturer's of foilers are properly marketing their products. I received an immediate response from Michele P. answering all my questions with leads to videos showing full foiling. I'm suggest havlii do more homework before negative commenting.

I don't think Havlii's comments were negative. He was giving his impression of the video he found and asking for more into since there wasn't much offered not even a proper contact name for the email.

If you are interested in foiling or results from major events in Europe or elsewhere, you must read daily www.catsailingnews .com along with the two forums we have in this country. Because cat sailing is much more popular in Europe, that's where the major manufacturers are & where the development is located. There have been several videos of the S9 in the past on that forum. On the other hand, the European marketers have not taken advantage of the two U.S. forums. Where was the announcement that the new Nacra 15 and the Whisper cat were going to be at the Annapolis show?

Okay, I'll bite. December in Texas? as in less than 60 days from now? If my comments were inaccurate please explain how so. The boat is not full foiling in the video that I saw , it rises and falls off the foils numerous times. More and clearer video would be helpful. What is the design weight of the crew? All cats have an optimum design weight, what is your target weight? (Would be nice to know before purchasing.)

and lastly quoting my long deceased 'nonna' if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. If you post an 'advertorial' on a public forum expect some heat.

Try youtube: foiling catamaran stunt 9,May, 2015 and stunt 9, the real full foiling beach cat Pete

20htcat, I explored the videos on youtube, very sweet when sailing in glass like conditions. 96% of my sailing is done in 2-3 foot chop. How does the wand system handle that? Any videos in the nasty stuff? chop exceeding 6 inches?

Thanks for the response and the invite to demo your boat.

there's a few more clips and pics on the S9 FB page. Maybe worth checking that too...

https://www.facebook.com/catamaran.stunt

Okay, here's the deal and why my earlier comments. There are TWO facebook pages regarding the S9 catamaran. I landed on the older one that has not been updated in over a year. The video and pictures that I commented on are still out there and they convey exactly my sentiments.

Since no link was included in the original post, the original poster leaves open the possibility of a search engine directing a person to a stale website. (not my fault or problem, pulling down that page would be prudent)

The newer page (link posted by marekli) has the better pictures and more info on the boat.

Edited by havliii on Oct 18, 2015 - 11:00 AM.

Final correction: The owner of the older page is Catamaran Racing News and Design, not Mr. Petrucci. Not much he can do about the old stuff. It was the top hit on my search.

Here's a few more clips OP could have posted (just search youtube):

S9 Overview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmRTZik0Vf8

Sailing Upwind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkMacK-SBBQ

3rd test 2014?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzLluz3niUk

2nd test 5.01.2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wre5n32OOhs

Personally, I find it just a tad small...the Formula Whisper is a bit bigger. It's got a design where conventional crossbars disappear and are replaced by carbon ones molded into the hull making the whole frame a lot stiffer and therefore probably also a lot more efficient. Price is quoted soomewhere at $30K so much higher than the price for an S9.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opxXm8Oub0A

Then there's the Flying Phantom, at $40K. Compared to it you could consider the S9 a steal if you just wanted to fly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjxnCVI67O0

One way to get some exposure to foiling cats while the R&D is being sorted out and multiple production cycles and increasing foiling cats being manufactured lead to more competition is to join a clinic like one Helge Sach organized a few weeks ago at Lake Garda. Here's a pretty cool clip of him foiling with a sailor on a Nacra20 FCS:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BWg5Azq1To

Edited by marekli on Oct 22, 2015 - 10:42 AM.

I'd not bet that the platform of the Formula Whisper is stiffer than the S 9 one.
Infact this latter is fitted with very unconventional (the front one has a poligonal shape with 12 sides-the rear beam profile is clearly visible in all videos) and over-dimensioned carbon beams made in pre-peg carbon in BIMARE's autoclave at 120 Celsius degrees and 6 bars of pressure. Besides also the attachments are original and well engineered.
The cat is designed to be de-mountable, but you can ask to have the beams glued to the hulls if you want to get the max stiffness

Wolfman wrote: Strange thread Damon... But the second is a person who registered in 2006 but has never posted until now, and just to endorse this advert but and no questions... Something fishy going on here. Or maybe I've been on the internet too long.

Damon knows me personally, I just don't post on cat sailing threads often as, generally speaking, it's a waste of my time and energy. I only posted here b/c I was mentioned in the thread.

I've sailed the S9, seen where the Whispers are built, but not sailed one of them. I've met with Michele, but have no stake in how many S9's are sold here in the US, or anywhere else. I can tell you that the S9 will foil with a 6'2", 195 lb guy on it in ~2' chop quite well. Also, I sailed an older boat and even with the amount of testing that platform has undergone, it was still VERY stiff. I didn't think it was too small at 14' long, even with my size.

What I think confuses some people is that unlike the Phantom, the S9 has control wands to keep it from foiling extremely high; the moth foils as high as it does for a couple of reasons which are totally unrelated to wave height. Due to the dynamics, higher does not always equal better and since cats cannot directly replicate what is happening with a moth, that certainly is the case here.

The other big thing to remember is that the S9 wasn't designed to compete with the Phantom, it's not a 2-up rocket racer. Based on what I've read and been told, the S9 is a "beginners foiler" and I can attest that it's easy to sail and to foil; I was up and flying within a couple of minutes of launching the boat.

I have a couple of concerns about the Whisper, mostly related to the dagger board and trunk configuration. I've not sailed the boat, but suspect that it's going to be quite hard on the foils and keep the boat yards busy cleaning up trailing edges based on what I've seen.

wlrottge wrote: [quote=Wolfman]Strange thread Damon... But the second is a person who registered in 2006 but has never posted until now, and just to endorse this advert but and no questions... Something fishy going on here. Or maybe I've been on the internet too long.

Damon knows me personally, I just don't post on cat sailing threads often as, generally speaking, it's a waste of my time and energy. I only posted here b/c I was mentioned in the thread.

Sorry, meant to reply above that I knew Will.

Michele (20htcat ) it would help if you would further introduce yourself and spell out your relationship with the S9.

I don't mind you promoting your new catamaran here in the forums, just people get suspicious if not sure who they are dealing with.

Hi everyone, Hi Will , f20ht, Peter
have reported to me this forum, I state that I did not know this site, it is a pleasure to read the thoughts of everyone, all your thoughts are helpful to me to improve this boat.
thank you Will f20ht Peter to introduce S9 project here,
I have no business relationship with the writer here, we're just friends, are people who have had the opportunity to see and test S9.
I can understand that S9 is a new thing and sometimes difficult to understand, I am at your full disposal for any information or clarification.
Best regards to everyone, Michele

ita16 wrote: Hi everyone, Hi Will , f20ht, Peter
have reported to me this forum, I state that I did not know this site, it is a pleasure to read the thoughts of everyone, all your thoughts are helpful to me to improve this boat.
thank you Will f20ht Peter to introduce S9 project here,
I have no business relationship with the writer here, we're just friends, are people who have had the opportunity to see and test S9.
I can understand that S9 is a new thing and sometimes difficult to understand, I am at your full disposal for any information or clarification.
Best regards to everyone, Michele

Welcome to TheBeachcats.com Michele. I was confused earlier and thought that 20htcat was Michele since the first post was introducing the boat and came from Italy.

I looked around the Bimare and s9team websites for more info but don't find much. So trying to clear things up.

Do you (Michele) work for Bimare? Is the Stunt S9 a Bimare product they will sell as part of their lineup? Since a demo in Texas has been mentioned, could you give more details about when and where, and who is the US representative for the boat?

Thanks,

DamonLinkous wrote: Do you (Michele) work for Bimare?

I think this is Michele Petrucci, the designer/builder of the S9.

What Wlrottge wrote is absolute correct:
Michele is the designer/developer/builder of the S 9.
But he is also, with his brother Valerio, the son of Lallo Petrucci, the founder of BIMARE Catamarans.
Michele works at Bimare loft from more than 25 years (since when he was a teenager). In the latest 10-15 years he has been in charge of BIMARE Composite, the division which takes care of the manufacturing of BIMARE carbon masts and beams (in the proprietary autoclave).
The S 9 mast and beams are built by Michele IN HOUSE.
So far the S 9 has been created and marketed as a product not-included in BIMARE range of catamarans even if it is built and assembled at BIMARE factory

There will be two Stunt 9s for us to play with in central Texas some time in January.
There are many details still to be worked out, but the process is under way.
I'll post more as the process evolves.
PM me if you wish.

Chuck, if you all would like assistance putting the boats together, let me know.

Chuck

a couple of questions of general interest:

how do you think to learn to fly yr S9?
Do you already find a flight instructor?

May you confirm the publicized quotation for the S 9 delivered to the USA?

20htcat: I have a couple of friends why fly Stunt S9 and Flying Phantom who will teach me if I ask them nicely.
Cost is not known: shipping, taxes, customs, and other charges are not yet known. I bought the boats for me and my friends to enjoy - I am not a dealer - please contact Michele to purchase a boat. Thank you for your post of October 29 - very helpful.

Hi 20htcat , these are the information that you wanted:

S 9 export retail price ex factory for a complete boat with beach dolley (big wheels) and full covers EUR 14.500 = USD 15.700 at the present exchange rate plus

EUR 2.300 = USD 2.500 (freight cost for a 40' container from BIMARE to Houston harbour including insurance)

Then all up it is USD 16.950 for each of the two S 9 actually in the container. You have to add to this amount the US custom duties, taxes and trasport costs from Hourston harbour to yr home. There is still ample room in the container for other S 9s or other boats in BIMARE range so that the freight and custom clearance costs can be significantly reduced .

hi DamonLinkous , yes, I work in Bimare, but S9 is a personal project, however the boat is built by me, in Bimare, all its components are made of carbon autoclave (excluding hulls).
BR , Michele Petrucci

Chuck

now you know how much do you have to pay for yr S 9 landed to Houston = USD 16,950.
Yr best option if find a few other catsailors interested to buy the little foiling cat at the very special promotional price offered to you by Michele (if you have a look at his website http://www.s9team.eu you'll learn that the S 9 is already marketed at EUR 17,900=USD 19,300 ex factory).
Let me make some calculations for you:
with four S 9s in the container yr bill is reduced to USD 16,300 and with six boats to USD 16,100.
Alternatively you can search also for "traditional" catsailors potentially interested to other BIMARE floating cats such as the fast F16 (carbon mast) which won the second place at the latest F16 Europeans (USD 15,900 ex factory) or the Zero Classic A cat (USD 15,100). For more info: http://www.bimare.org

Good luck