Buy my Nacra 5.8NA in the classifieds. She is a solid ride and very good for 2 people the sizes you mention, especially if you are just getting into this. Stable and predictable. Can be solo'd by one of you provided it isn't ridiculously windy. solid ride
trappinny wrote: Buy my Nacra 5.8NA in the classifieds. She is a solid ride and very good for 2 people the sizes you mention, especially if you are just getting into this. Stable and predictable. Can be solo'd by one of you provided it isn't ridiculously windy. solid ride
Comes with daggerboards?
yup, 2 of them....and 3 rudders. :top:
I've owned multiple N5.8, a N20 and now a AHPC F18 Capricorn.
Based on what you are describing, I would look for an older Inter-20 (N-20) and not spend the big bucks just yet. The boat can be pushed very hard due to the long bows with lots of volume. We raced it competitively at 380lb crew combined crew weight.
Any F18 will be on the small side for your crew weight and for sure you would not be competitive if you are looking to do some racing. For day sailing probably OK, but you would have to be a lot more careful on crew placement in heavier wind.
For the fun factor, I would look for a boat with a chute. The N5.8 is a very good beginner boat, but feels like a truck compared to the newer designs.
way to kill my mojo on trying to sell the old girl. truck. smh :wall:
So on this page we have an I20 sailor recommending an I20, a Nacra 5.8 sailor reccommending a Nacra 5.8, a Hobie 20 sailor recommending a H20.
I'll go ahead and recommend a Hobie 18, which I know can easily handle your combined weight. :prost:
Seriously, you sound perfect for a N20, get the nicest one you can find and go for it.
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Damon Linkous
okie_sailor wrote: we are looking to get something big enough for us and maybe the wives too.
After reviewing lots of options it looks like an inter20, infusion18 or similar sized boat is what it's going to take. Our problem is that these boats are monsters. I'm not sure either of us have the skill required to run one let alone something like an F20c (the boat designed for two big guys looking to go FAST).
Scott
So Scott it looks like you are in a very similar boat as myself. Let me throw one more wrench in the works. On a hot day and no one is around, would you feel compelled to slip both hulls into the cool water on a breezy day and just go for a relaxing little cruise solo? Or will you always be dependent on having someone with you at all times?
I asked the same question as I could totally see myself being one with the water when everyone else is busy and I got the Prindle 18 and Hobie 18 as my suggestions.
There's a Super Cat 20 in the classifieds right now.
Stop this !!
Get a 20-footer, I 20 , N 20 , Supercat 20, Tornado, H 20, H 21 se, N 6.0, whatever.
2 big guys need a big boat, buy one and go out sailing in light breeze.
Find some-one to explain the ins and outs of sailing in a breeze ( shouldn't be to hard
at the lake-side)
Once you're comfortable with the cat, ad a spi. Once you're comfortable with the spi,
take out the women.
Have Fun !!
AndrΓ©
AndrΓ© de Bruin, Amsterdam,the Netherlands
P 18-2
okie_sailor wrote: Ok first off I'm reviving my thread so no zombie jokes.secondly the longer my hunt goes the more interested I am in getting an infusion mk1 similar cost to an N20 but leagues ahead in hull design and sail plan. I have dropped down to 190 and have been visiting the gym regularly for the last year. After that graphic post about my then marshmallow self I made some changes π
I need the lowdown on changes between the mk1 and mk2 infusions - thoughts - preferences and changes etc. as always I'm depending on the forum and it's collective decades of experience in sailing multihulls to cover what gaps I may have.
Thanks again,
Scott
Scott,
Mk. 2 Infusion has longer boards and an extra bulkhead in the hull for a little more stiffness. The Mk. 2's also come with EVA decking standard. A Mk. 1 Infusion is perfectly fine for lake sailing, honestly I would take it over the Mk. 2 for that use, since the Mk. 2 daggerboard are likely to find the bottom sooner and cost 50% more to replace.
Be careful what you read here. There is a lot of mis-information. For starters, the Nacra 20 is no longer in production-the last new boat was sold in the U.S in 2007 or 2008. Maybe Nacra has one in storage, but I doubt it. The parts that are available are those that are interchangeable with the Infusion, which are a lot, but certain items like the mast base casting, mast cap, and mast are hard to find items that are no longer in production. Yes they are cheaper boats but they are generally much older, which is reflected in the price.
The Nacra Infusion has more hull volume than the Nacra 20 and can handle bigger teams just fine. I'll say the Nacra 20 is a little more powered up in lighter air (under 7 knots), but as soon as the breeze turns on, a well sailed Infusion will put a major hurt on a stock Nacra 20. If you don't believe me, just take a look at the Statue of Liberty race results: http://www.fleet250.org/upload/race/statue_race_results.pdf
Sail no. 1273, 753 and 885 are all Mk. 1 Infusions, 1273 and 753 having the long boards. 1620 is a Mk. 2 Infusion. 1st place was a Falcon F18, followed by a C2 then a Cap. The Falcon had the best F18 team in the country on board, and they were beaten by a Mk. 1 Infusion w/ long boards in a 10-15kt race the next day. Boats were raced between 290 and 380 lbs all up weight.
You can also take a look at the Florida 300 race results for some F18 vs. N20 comparisons, in that case the Nacra 20 sailors were more pro-level and did well, but there wasn't a lot of downwind in major breeze conditions where a modern planing F18 with good crew can shine.
Anyway, I would recommend buying a used boat vs. new for your intended usage, there is a little a new boat will bring you other than less cash in pocket for the bar.
Just a heads up, there is currently a lengthy waiting list to get into a 10' wide slip at the lake hefner city marina. The ones listed as 9' are actually 8'. I learned the hard way when I got my monohull with an 8'2" beam stuck. I have the option to heel the boat to get in.I'm not sure that would be an option for a cat.
Scott - H21SE... you will not be disappointed! Crazy fast cat with speed to burn with the right crew trapped out! They are harder to find in good shape - and require a bit more hands on maintenance / upkeep. But - if you can keep this beast mast up, rigged and ready to sail... that's the payoff! π