Which boat would be better?

don't turn your nose up to a p-16...great family cat, super stable, easy to deal with. having had both h-16 and p-16, i'll take the p-16 every time. it can take a lot more payload and is way more foregiving in a blow.

when i race mine they always put me in open spin b with all the non spin misfits(h-18,p-18,nacra,other,etc) and i am the highest rated boat by a mile. it pays off in rough weather!

I would rather have a P-16 than a H-16 but they are hard to come by. I am not going to get in a hurry to buy anything. I have a few months before its time to sail again.

Yep, certainly the best approach. Look for a good boat in good condition and go for it. All the 16/17/18 footers have thier own idiosyncracies. If you find a Hobie, nacra or prindle that is well cared for, you probably can't go too far wrong.

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Edchris177 wrote:

Well it is one more thing for the the main, jib halyard, front shroud, trap line to wrap around. The hobie gets a plus, also what actually does it do.

I am assuming you mean wrap around when you have the mast down for trailering? The solution there is to wrap shrouds, halyards etc in coils & hang them from the mast, it takes a few trial & errors to sort out what works best for your Cat, but then the issue is no more.
What they do...diamond wires are the Viagra of catamarans, stiffen the rod, put lead in the pencil. It is very difficult to build a long light stick & keep it stiff. The longer it gets the more wobbly. You can compensate by using thicker walls &/or larger diameter extrusions, but the weight starts to get out of control. Essentially wires turn that thin stick into a engineered truss. (sort of like trusses for floor joists instead of 2x10s) As the mast tries to bend under load, one set of wires is placed under tension, the mast can't bend as much because it has to stretch the wire to do so.
These wires now give you a powerful tool for powering or depowering the rig. Loosen them off & the mast can bend more. More bend equals a flatter sail & less power, or vice versa.
Nacra claims "diamond wire tension is the single most critical tuning adjustment."

Hey Aviator, here's one for you, it's in excellent condition and it's only 8 hrs from you in Tarpon Springs, FL.

http://www.searchtempest.com/results.php?location=36610&maxDist=400&region_us=1&search_string=Prindle+16&keytype=adv&Region=na&cityselect=zip&page=0&showeb=1&category=8&subcat=boa&minAsk=min&maxAsk=max

:astalavista:

AND you have to love the final word of the ad motivated

I called him and left a message. We will see what happens. Thanks for the heads up.

Well it looks like a new boat is going to have to wait. I just bought a 2004 Dodge Ram with a Cummins diesel in it 3 weeks ago and this morning it didnt want to crank.It only has 90K miles on it but it may be the injectors and if it is it will be about $3000 just for the injectors. I have had a truck act like this before and it was the injectors. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

the performance difference of H 16 vs Getaway is large, the poly hulls of wave and Getaway lack stiffness and yield a soft muchy 'ride', similar in windsurfing to original cheap poly boards vs later epoxy stiff lightweight hulls

av8erdunn wrote: Yeah, I love my roller furling on my Getaway. I will probably go look at it next weekend and see what it looks like. I am leaning towards buying it vs. the wings for my getaway since it will be easier to launch solo. I asked about the trap harness but he didnt have any. as for the PFD's I have enough of them as it is. The righting line, that isnt fixed to the boat? on my Getaway its fixed on bottom.Edited by av8erdunn on Oct 24, 2010 - 06:14 PM.

av8erdunn wrote: I think I am going to walk away on the H16 also. It has ports installed in front of the pylons reducing the structural integrity of the hulls. He said the ports are stuck on and would need to be replaced, chances are they are glued on to hide damage. Oh well, there is a Nacra, H16 or a set of wings for my Getaway in the near future. Well at least before next sailing season. I was really wanting something to fly a hull on but it would be ok I guess.

the moral of your story aviator, never buy Dodge, never buy Dodge Ram, and certainly never buy Dodge Ram with diesel engine especially when diesel fuel is so expensive. :teacher:

😆

turbohobo wrote: the moral of your story aviator, never buy Dodge, never buy Dodge Ram, and certainly never buy Dodge Ram with diesel engine especially when diesel fuel is so expensive. :teacher:

😆

I have never had a problem with a Dodge, I had more problems with my 08 Silverado than I have a Dodge. I am paying $2.89 a gallon for diesel premium is $2.69 and I am able to get 4 MPG better with the diesel than I did with my POS Silverado. With the difference in cost I am still better off with a diesel and I can tow whatever I need. I take it you have never had a diesel. The Cummins diesel is more reliable than the crappy 6.0 powerstroke Ford puts out and it gets better fuel economy than the Duramax GM has.
Turns out I had air in my injector lines which was causing my problem. Opinions are like assholes
everyones got one. :teacher: What do you drive a prius. 😀

Edited by av8erdunn on Oct 31, 2010 - 02:23 PM.

So you have an opinion too! 😀 I drive a Dodge Ram with the Cummins Turbo Diesel. Just funning wit ya boyo, lot of good-ole-boyz around here joshing each other with their Chevvy/Dodge/Ford/GMC preferences. I just have to chuckle, these vehicles are all just pressed sheet metal with round rubber wheels, but they all get so personal with their trucks. :heybaby:

Glad you were able to troubleshoot your problem, easy fix, so u can still keep that other beachcat in mind.

Edited by turbohobo on Oct 31, 2010 - 04:17 PM.

turbohobo wrote: I drive a Dodge Ram with the Cummins Turbo Diesel.

So it's really turbodieselhobo :rofl2:

they don't make 'em like they used to...all the plastic on my truck will fit into a dixie cup!

turbohobo wrote: So you have an opinion too! 😀 I drive a Dodge Ram with the Cummins Turbo Diesel. Just funning wit ya boyo, lot of good-ole-boyz around here joshing each other with their Chevvy/Dodge/Ford/GMC preferences. I just have to chuckle, these vehicles are all just pressed sheet metal with round rubber wheels, but they all get so personal with their trucks. :heybaby:

Glad you were able to troubleshoot your problem, easy fix, so u can still keep that other beachcat in mind.Edited by turbohobo on Oct 31, 2010 - 04:17 PM.

Its all good. 😀
A vehicle is a tool, it takes you from one point to the next whether it is a Hummer or a smart car. In the end they do the same thing.

I just have to chuckle, these vehicles are all just pressed sheet metal with round rubber wheels, but they all get so personal with their trucks.

Just like our boats. They are all so different yet so much the same, but everyone "knows" which is best, just ask them.

My brother still has one of those Cummins diesels,from the 90's I think. You could tow the earth if you had a hitch point. Cummins builds a good engine, but those years the Rams rode pretty rough unless he had a max camper or horse trailer hooked on. We pulled a 27' 5th wheel through the mountains at 60 mph & still got 21 mpg.
I'm amazed at how "loyal" people get to a Detroit manufacturer, don't you guys know yet, that you buy a Japanese vehicle, & they just run, for 400,000km, & at the end of that time your maintenance bills are only around $1000 + oil changes?8-)

Edited by Edchris177 on Nov 03, 2010 - 08:04 PM.

My brother has a mid 90's Dodge with the Cummins. Over $250k miles and the engine is running strong but the rest of the truck is not holding up so great anymore. But it has been on a ranch for over 10 years, and seen a lot of abuse. That engine is a power house though. People get loyal over Detroit cars, but people seem to sign their name in blood over their Diesel truck alliances. Then again isn't the Chevy diesel truck engine from Japan anyways?

Japan has long had the edge on cars that just run forever, but in my opinion Ford and Chevy are getting much closer with their recent vehicles.

It's a thing of beauty when my 5.2 is hitched to my 2004 Dodge Ram 2500 w/ Cummins TD.

03' Chevy 2500HD Duramax(LB7) with 275k miles on it. Programed, Straight piped, and intake work has been done on it in the last 25k miles. - only had the injectors replaced twice.. 90k and then something like 175k.

Other than that, she still does work hah.

& I vote for the Prindle 16 -- since I just picked one up recently. Haven't had a chance to sail her yet, but she looks promising!

It's a thing of beauty when my 5.2 is hitched to my 2004 Dodge Ram 2500 w/ Cummins TD.

Yep, best thing ever, and when I run outta diesel 50 miles down the road after just filling the tank, I hitch that dern thing to my trailer, raise the sails on my cat, an tew it where I'm going, I git-r-dun.

:firedevil:

having sailed H 16s freq ,owning Solcat 18 as first boat, then H18,H20 Miracle and now Bimare 18 all are daggers except H 16, to me the performenace difff of modern symmetrical hulls is so great I have a hard time even gong out on a H16,db are not that much truoble , mast rotation si simple, who wants to pitchpole ?

Wolfman wrote: I hate to say it but given the choice between a 1996 H16 and a 1982 5.2, go for the H16. Although I have a 5.2 and absolutely LOVE it, but the H16 is a better boat to learn on. The 5.2 is an awesome boat that was actually designed to correct alot of the bad habits of the H16 but the extra rigging/controls and the boards make the learning curve on it a bit daunting. Also, in my mind, you would have to make a couple of necessary upgrades on a 1982 to improve the safety and usablility (pivmatic popups, side loaders for the boards etc) where you probably won't have to do much to the H16 to sail it (provided it's in good shape).

D.