What Winter Projects Do You Have?

Come on over, Damon! I've got hot pizza, cold beer, and two 1982 Prindle 18 hulls to refinish with you!

Some questions(and this is just one day into the project):

A. What do you guys think about "bedding" your crossbeams when I go back together? Like with clear or white sylicone, maybe. Would I ever be able to get it apart later? I think one joint on my boat was loose when I got the boat.

B. I was quoted a price of $380 for a gallon of Omni PPG MTK Acrylic Urethane topcoat, a gallon of MP182 2K Urethane Surfacer primer, plus a quart for each of reducer/hardener/Idontknow additive. Is this a good price, and is this a good thing to paint my boat with? I don't mind paying a little more than rock-bottom if this is good stuff, cause I'm gonna bug the hell out of these folks till I'm done I think.

Any help is well needed and much appreciated

jon

What is bedding your crossbeams

Im cuting the rusted rear beam off my trailer & adding some expanded metal to make a deck platform to store campn goodies under the cat, maybe a place for a kayak or sail tube to ride.
I am also curious about bedding the cross beams. When I took my prindle apart you could see where water was sitting between hull& crossbeam causeing corrosion , lime buildup on the threads.Makes me worried about freeze/thaw in winter storage.My main concern is the rear crossbeam it has some cut away areas that seem to be a problem, the water gets in and isnt draining out.

golfdad75 wrote: What is bedding your crossbeams

I pulled the term from long-range shooting, where the rifle barrel is bonded (bedded) to the forestock to reduce movement and therefore increase accuracy.

In this case I was refering to the idea of a layer of sylicone inbetween the hull and the crossbeam to increase stiffness and eliminate chafe...when I pulled off my crossbeams there was a layer of very fine sand in every spot where the two surfaces did not match perfectly; with every flex, no matter how minor, the sand was wearing and forcing the joint into looseness, also with corrosion as nitrodub pointed out. I'm just worried about sepparating the parts the next time I need to. I don't want to tear out the 'glass at the joint.

Damon, should I be posting all this in the "tech" section? Please feel free to move to wherever I can get the help I so badly need. Is there a "fiberglass/paint guy" in the house?

pirateboy27 wrote:
Damon, should I be posting all this in the "tech" section? Please feel free to move to wherever I can get the help I so badly need. Is there a "fiberglass/paint guy" in the house?

Yes, go ahead and post a new thread in the technical forum titled something like "Bedding Beams to Hull" and start the discussion.

One thing that I have already done (more of a fall project) was clear out the cove that I sail out of of rip rock.Over the years people have placed large rip rocks on top of their anchors to help hold their boat over night.Kids and adults have hurdler rip rock into this cove too.Now that the water level is so low from this very dry summer,my favorite cove looked like a mine field of rock.So I went over there with my new wheel barrow(with two front wheels) and a friend and moved 72 loads of rock out off the shallow water and all the exposed rocks too.
The fishermen might complain about this but when I sail into or out of this small cove I don't "bump" into anything that could scratch my boat .Paynetown Recreation Area ,outside of Bloomington,IN is a better place to sail out of.Launch your boat at this cove by where they rent large party boats...Bill 404 21SE

I'm thinking of selling my trailer, as it just takes up space & have never used it since bringing the boat home. After experimenting with the seadoo lift to hold my cat I will now fabricate what worked best out of metal. The wood beams float the cradle, so I had to tie weights on it to keep it sunk when the Cat was off. Worked, but not as convenient as I want it.
My original sails are going to the loft to have UV strip put on the jib, & a tear in the bolt rope are fixed. I pulled off the traveler to wash out as it seems to be binding, & I replaced the traveler cleat & put the stolen parts back on my Invitation. I also picked up some sail repair tape during the pass through Carpenteria, Ca. I see signs of the sailsbattens rubbing on the shrouds, so I want to run a wear strip along each batten that touches.
I'm ordering some new hi tech line to lace the rear of the tramp.
Biggest project is going to be removing the paint that was used on the lower 1/2 of the hulls & buffing them back to original. The paint starts to chelate & everytime you brush the hull now you get it on you.
Only 3 months Damon? Lucky guy, we are stuck till the end of April, unless you want to go the drysuit route.

Edited by Edchris177 on Nov 23, 2010 - 08:25 AM.

sails and tramp off to sailcare for cleaning, repairs, and re-resigning; new mast base, dolphin striker, and ball; new standing rigging; fresh lines; another glass pass on keels and touch up paint; new kayaking life vest for traps; trailor loving; and another saints superbowl!!!

Oh, you small-boat guys...

--Miz B's bottom is osmosing or rather I think it's paint blistering from the trailer bunks retaining water, so that needs to be solved. I'm contemplating using the marine felt stuff ( http://www.sailrite.com/Boat-Blanket-Fabric-Gray-72) rather than carpet, for the bunks, and I'm really thinking about sending the boat over to Donnie Brennan for the bottom job, since I did the last one myself. I'm prolly gonna grow a third tit from all these chemicals, at least Jay'll be happy about that.
--The bow eye is rusty and probably leaks. I'm not sure how the Hell to reach it, since it's behind the crash bulkhead, way in the bow of the boat. (hence the name 'bow eye.') Jay will likely be put on that one. He's taller, anyway.
--Hatch latch screws Loctited
--Patch the cracks in the cockpit cooler, and enforce my own rule about having bottled beverages in there since it's prolly the bottles bashing the damn thing. Why in Hell can't they put good stuff in cans, I don't know.
--The crash bulkhead flange needs glueing again
--The throttle extension needs better engineering. You'd think, being married to an engineer...
--The bow light needs replacing
--The screacher halyard continues to twist/hockle. I'm just going to commit seppuku about that. I've spliced up three lines now. I guess it's good practice, if expensive. Refer to earlier 'engineering' remark...

H18
1. patch a small tramp tear
2. upgrade to 8 or 9:1 main
3. convert 6:1 downhaul to 8:1 w/jam cleats on mast & less pulleys
4. decide to keep my SX main and jib or have them cut to SE size
5. re hull-kote or starbrite the hulls....
6. new bridles

H14T
1. compound/polish/etc way way weathered hulls
2. decide to convert to uni-rig for the nats
3. new dolphin striker wire

the club's H17
1. fix the wing socket leaks
2. fix the centerboards
3. buff up the hulls
4. find the mainsail
5. install rail traction/grips
6. take her for a wild winter hull flying ride down casino row. 🙂

all that combined w/a short "winter" (really only Jan and Feb) means I'll be busy!

A Cat
fair out the bottoms, get it painted!!
install new mast rotation system
install new mast base
Get a new tramp
Get a yard cover made
fix the *&^%$ing trailer.

Supercat 15
finish the Spinnaker system
(need to order a kite!)

And for the cool stuff--
In the winter, I work on RC sailboats. I have a few footies to fix, one to finish and a 48"x48" all carbon fiber trimaran to finish by New Years.

I also have to figure out how to splice line. I've been meaning to learn for years, but haven't needed to until now. That should drive me crazy.

Edited by DanBerger on Nov 23, 2010 - 11:59 AM.

I have a pretty simple list, although I have a tendency to put it off to the last couple of weekends before sailing starts again in the spring.

I have some lines to replace, a soft-spot on the starboard hull to fill, and trailer lights that don't work to chase down.

-Steve

I mentioned I needed a bow light, right? So I found this kewl little LED light that I've been waiting to replace the incandescent original with. The problem is that this little light is somewhat oval, and the original is circular. The way my light mounts is astraddle the pulpit railing.

So I've got to fabricate a new light fixture. So what I'm thinking is to mould up another half-oval, or half-egg shape to straddle the pulpit rail. Imagine an egg cut lengthwise, I guess, and the two halves will meet across the rail.

So, I hit on the 'genius' idea to take the bubble pack the new light comes in and fill it with microlight filler/epoxy and make the fixture. OK. So I mix up this super thick, nigh crumbly mix of microlite and epoxy and go to scooping it into my mould.

If you're familiar with epoxy, you're laughing really hard right about now.

In any case, I don't think twice about what I'm doing, and jam this about 2"x3"x1/2" little bit of plastic pack full of microlight and epoxy bog.

You see, what happens with a great lot of mixed epoxy... welll... the epoxy reaction is exothermic, really really exothermic. So a clump of this stuff is gonna get real hot. I knew that, but I thought that since I put in sooo much microlight, the effect would be to 'thin' the epoxy, as though it were spread.

So here I am with my little half-egg, and I'm trying to get the bog in, and it begins to heat up and expand. I'm holding this thing in my hand, and it's smoking, and expanding, and bubbling, and I'm freakin' out and trying to get the mixture back into the mould which unbelievably hasn't melted, and then I get the genius idea to run madly for the kitchen to get ice, and I'm screaming for my husband who thinks I've killed myself, but I really only wanted a third hand to make an ice slurry into which to throw this frickin' BOMB I've created...

Thankfully, he gets there and grabs the whole ice box thingie and dumps it onto me and the work. But hey, it saved the mould....

~~~ Check out the ice sailin boat & get ready for ice sailin. My VA Dr. told me to lose a few pounds-- ( I will, and get in better shape than what I'am now and put some more 'muscules' on me)..... White water kayakin will kill me next year!!!
My 17 & 18 Hobies are ok untill spring... I have "A" frames over them for the winter... I don't wanna do fiberglass work on them again....... ~~~~~~

Rebuilding a NACRA Inter 20 that I just bought. Right now I have the whole thing torn apart. The hulls went off to one of the guys that use to work at Performance Catamaran for some ding repairs and a buffing.

I should have the new tramp in a few weeks and will painting the mast over the T-giving weekend.

Pretty excited about this boat, it has "good bones' and a great wardrobe of sails. Hope to have it back on the water in February.

Have to have a furling jib for the P18, will use existing jib to save on $$$. Plan to measure the luff on the jib and then order a new forestay to those measurements, will need a pigtail or upper forestay and a 10 hole stay adjuster. Have the harken furler drum and swivel, will need to upgrade to hi-load bearings as per eddchris177 in tech gallery, thanks Captain Edd.

Other than that, the other winter project is to complete my album on the P18, pics on how good she cleaned up with poliglow, how good the new tramp from slo-sails looks and how I built a new solo mast step setup with a mast with diamond wires.

Winter Sucks

:motz:

Polish, polish, polish! Tired of getting the white chalk on me every time I brush the side of the boat. Replace bungee for right rudder that has ED. Sails to loft for repair, cleaning, graphics. Shave some weight off of driver and crew. Maybe get around to registering the boat and putting those hideous letters on the bows 🙁

grow a third tit from all these chemicals, at least Jay'll be happy about that.[/quote
Way to optimistic, it is only a blessing on the Simpsons!
(of course I would not object to the PM mass mailing of this so called mammary, can we hope for 36C Firm?)

I'm just going to commit seppuku about that.

I'm married to a Sansei, therefore serpica, (vs seppeku went out way before we were born), but I get your drift.

6. take her for a wild winter hull flying ride down casino row. icon_smile

When you get to be my age you realize that this is the only one that counts, the rest is just vanity

That should drive me crazy.

Dan, at our age, read the above!

Tami. Tami Tami...I feel your pain regarding to much catalyst in the epoxy!
Feel my pain..I'm in Shanghai again, we are all pisse* because we found this new restaurant that features a full Japanese meal + unlimited drinking, (despite being in China they have Kirin, Asahi, Heiniken & none of that PBR shyte) & it is 0600hr, so we have been up for 24 hr+ and where was I going with this....oh yeah, buy a Nacra 5.7 & you will all enjoy eternal happiness, weriously, would I BS You?.

Turbo hobo...don't spend the $$ til I PM you (or get my ass in gear & finish editing the Tech Album that I promised Damon I would do almost a year ago) regarding converting to a roller furler. It was the simplest of times, it was the worst of times. When I did it, many folk gave me advice,(they meant well, & knew what they were doing, or had done,( the problem is there are several dozen ways to skin this cat, & there are dozens of permutations, & almost no one else has the "best" way to do it for YOUR Cat. Even ,"what does the end of your bridal wires look like", makes a difference).
You need to analyze what you have (my background is also science & engineering)& go from there. And I'm not BSing you, read my dissertation that everyone else slagged, where I was trying to explain a technical subject to the unwashed masses...where was that Damon? I can't see the "my posts" anymore, ha ha maybe I don't want to8-) I gotta go to bed, it's 1:16 p.m. the next day here, we've been up for 27 hrs...I thin I have to work a long shift soon.
Where is that scallywag Andrew hiding out? he always has an opinion?

Edited by Edchris177 on Nov 24, 2010 - 12:20 PM.

E C Hilliard

Nacra 5.7
Bombardier Invitation

 

all you beer snobs...GET OFF MY LAWN!!!

Winter?
It was 81 degrees here today. Water temp 72 degrees. Beer 36 degrees.
10 nt breeze.

My "winter" goal is to try and sail 12 more days before the end of the year.

Your results may vary.

bfoxg8r1 wrote: Winter?
It was 81 degrees here today. Water temp 72 degrees. Beer 36 degrees.
10 nt breeze.

My "winter" goal is to try and sail 12 more days before the end of the year.

Your results may vary.

I have a similar problem. My current "project" is to find a new wet suit so that I can sail on those chilly January days when the temperature doesn't get out of the 60's. Problems. Problems. 😆

Dave W
Tampa, FL

I painted my Stiletto 27 with Awl Grip...after 3 years, I sold it and it still looked like the day I painted. I highly recommend you use Awl Grip.

pirateboy27 wrote: Come on over, Damon! I've got hot pizza, cold beer, and two 1982 Prindle 18 hulls to refinish with you!

Some questions(and this is just one day into the project):

A. What do you guys think about "bedding" your crossbeams when I go back together? Like with clear or white sylicone, maybe. Would I ever be able to get it apart later? I think one joint on my boat was loose when I got the boat.

B. I was quoted a price of $380 for a gallon of Omni PPG MTK Acrylic Urethane topcoat, a gallon of MP182 2K Urethane Surfacer primer, plus a quart for each of reducer/hardener/Idontknow additive. Is this a good price, and is this a good thing to paint my boat with? I don't mind paying a little more than rock-bottom if this is good stuff, cause I'm gonna bug the hell out of these folks till I'm done I think.

Any help is well needed and much appreciated

jon

i painted mine last year, got 2 quarts, painted 2 medium coats, had a 1/2 qt left over. probably could have gotten 1 more coat. used this paint, no primer required, 39$ per qt, 14$ for reducer.

Let me second coastrats expertise.

Let me second Kenny's AwlGrip suggestion. My boat has a TEN (10) year AwlGrip paint job.

the supermarine revolution is a new technology(hybrid resin) so not that much data like on awlgrip and interlux and so on. but it doesn't require a primer if over gelcoat/glass saving a prime coat /sand pass. any quality marine topside paint will do if applied proper. i am going to do some keel glass/epoxy this offseason and touch up with my left over material. you shouldn't need more than 2 qts of top coat for your project, a gallon will leave much left over.

My winter project is too find the dang leak in my starboard hull. It has baffled me. Also move jib leads, restitch the tramp, remove the middle pipe, paint and dare I say it yes I dare a squaretop main. Also a barberhauler, I have found this summer that choking the jib down was my biggest problem.

78 H18 adding wings and hopefully some sort of "hooter" or screecher. looking for one(i need the whole kit)

I'm going to rig a on the water jib luff downhaul adjuster for my new Tiger jib