Use Caution dealing with "HULLFLYER"

I am sorry that you have a problem with my choices in dealing with this situation. I don't, so now it's just your problem, by your choice. By the way how long ago was your situation with SLO SAILS. I still firmly believe that is why you continue to post.

i don't have problems with your choices, they don't affect me at all.

this isn't my argument, I am removing all of today's comments

was your situation with slo sail and canvas. I still firmly believe that is why you continue to post.

i dunno, 3 or 4 years? I comment every time slo sail and canvas comes up..

Edited by MN3 on Aug 19, 2013 - 01:44 PM.

Hullflyer, everything yo have written has confirmed the correctness of EC's caution. Caveat Emptor.

With all this comes to mind the famous saying by John Blutarsky; "Hey you screwed up you trusted us"

5. The reason I ignored this for so long was I felt the person was trying to WORK me, I am almost 70 years old and have came across people like this in the past and did not feel like it was worth my time.
6. NEVER LISTEN TO ONE AND JUDGE TWO, there is always another side, it appears that some people on this site are quick to judge.

Okay, I have heard your side and it smells, I don't care if you are 70 or 91 or 21, if you are on this site to do business THE CUSTOMER DESERVES A RESPONSE. You ignored him and said so here is the direct quote

I thought that it was a no win situation and chose to ignore him.

I HAVE HEARD YOUR SIDE, it smells like the south end of a north bound mule. I think the warning from EC was justified.

sh!t happens. cheap beer or not - life is too short. So why judge?

I've had great interactions with Slo and despite this noise about Hullflyer - i'd still buy something from him. he's been around this site for a long time. the condition of used gear is very *subjective*. I drove 4 hours recently to buy a boat that had no soft spots according the seller but it was actually soft almost everywhere! (I still bought it though - $175 was fine with me for the rudder castings and tiller adjuster)

Can you really trust any internet or mail order vendor 100%? no. people have had bad experiences from the biggest internet sellers - and if you flip the coin and you're the seller? - customers can really suck and they are not always right.

customers can really suck and they are not always right.

This isn't about SLO! Hullflyer was bringing up a non-relevant issue to deflect the criticism leveled at him. Even if the customer is not correct, he/she DESERVES a response. I won't buy anything from a vendor that treats customers that way, you certainly may if you want to, just be prepared bend over ................

Sorry for the delay, may you live in interesting times has never been truer than the last few days. I've been busy with funeral arrangements for my father-in-law,a true gentleman, as honest as he was old. No I didn't make that up, the obituary here;
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?n=masami-tsukamoto-bill&pid=166515780&fhid=17704#fbLoggedOut
Today, the contractors doing excavations for a new house next door to me at the lake property dug a little to close. Shyyte does happen, but they are a stand up company & are doing everything they can to rectify the situation, & fix it properly.

Here is what my retaining wall, French Drains & side yard looked like today. My wife & I had just arrived & stepped over to see how deep the hole was. As we looked the whole dammed thing went like a slow motion avalanche into my neighbours new basement. Ruined a good day of sailing.

I will post one final update to this thread, Hullflyers post is simply sad. Re-read it & remember those lines about "2 brand new Harken blocks", which seem to have struck a chord with at least one person.
Here are the "2 brand new Harken blocks" Hullflyer sent me. You decide if his description is accurate. He also forgot to mention that yes, I had inquired if he had a couple of trap blocks, & that I included an extra $5 bill to cover them,(they are $9 brand new here, I figured 2-3 each for used was fair). I'm happy with what I got for $5, but for him to attempt to sway readers by posting that he gave me "and 2 brand new small Harken blocks."(his quote) is simply not true. When does visible rust/corrosion equate to "brand new"?

He tries to make it seem as if he gave me bunch of freebies. The ad & deal was for the furler system, drum & swivel. The "complete upper forestay" he mentions is a 16" piece of cable. Of course he included it, he had to. It was/is swaged to the swivel & cannot be separated. I nether wanted nor asked for it.
Here is the swivel & his very generously included complete upper forestay.
I have not seen micro blocks like this before. They appear to be Harken 232's, but the top end is not round, but crimped like it was put in a vice...any one know if they are really old stock, or purposely bent for some reason?? I include that photo,with the non round frame so he knows damn well those are the blocks he sent me, & cannot try to say I switched them.

The swivel has quite a bit of lateral play, I thought of comparing it to a new unit, but if the internals are anything like the drum, I won't bother risking my mast with it.

Hullflyer seems to think I'm trying to "work" him for the taxes & shipping. Seriously?? I distinctly stated that if there had been a misunderstanding on shipping, I would eat those charges. If I were trying to "work you", why would I give you the option to refund my money & I would return the item? I would have to pay for return shipping, & be further in the hole. Here is the end of the applicable email;

"Otherwise I would like to return the item for refund.
Please advise"

For the record, I had 3 furlers, all Harken SB. One is on the 5.7,(purchased on this site then re-bearinged), one on the 5.0,(brand new as in never been installed,in original packaging) & one I brought to Hal Liske in Livermore. These can easily be seen in my furling tech album. I was seeking a Hobie furler for a Tornado project, & understood the Hobie unit to be stronger than the Harken SB.
For you to insinuate that I rustled up a worn out Hobie furler, then swapped it with what you sent, tells most readers all they need to know.
Never listen to one & judge two.....I didn't,
First- "furlers in great condition"....it wasn't
Second- "2 brand new Harken blocks"...epic fail
Third- utter silence, even when I offered to return the parts.

I have to admit that those who posted regarding difference of opinion about condition do have a point, however no reasonable person would conclude those blocks are brand new, or that furler is in great condition.
It may also be true that you do not intentionally misrepresent the condition of your items. However, in your world, if "brand new" equates to visible rust/corrosion, & "great condition" means all critical parts need replacement, then I standby my title of this thread.
Yes, it could have been kept private, you chose silence, I elected to warn others. The only way to make E commerce better is to out those who give poor service. Your reply dug a deeper hole, & painted a bleaker image of how you conduct business than any post I could concoct.

Edited by Edchris177 on Aug 21, 2013 - 08:08 AM.

EdChris,

I was wondering why the silence and speculated something had you occupied. Sorry to hear of your loss. One of the questions I had been asking myself with all this has been answered in your reply. That was, as Dave mentioned, if not happy with what you received, why not send it back and eat the shipping? Thanks for responding to Hullflyer's rebuttal.

Like you said, it's 40 bucks. Not a big deal. I want to believe that neither one of you were trying to "work" the other. As was mentioned with my previous experience, and as Bacho illustrated, some deals get lost in translation. Has Hullflyer provided satisfactory deals to other members here? Yes. Has the seller (in my experience) done the same? Definitely. Have both of these individuals contributed in a positive way to the community? Absolutely! Should we be cautious? Certainly. Should we lynch the poor bastard? Hell no.

In the end, the member's here can make their own decision if they want to purchase goods from Hullflyer, SLO sails, or anybody else. We're all big boys. Likewise, it is Hullflyer's right to remain silent if that's his choice, even if perception indicates that it might not to be a popular choice with the member's here.

Buyer beware. We get it. You guys carry on.

Think we could get this on Judge Judy?

Well I think everyone has had their say and we should move on. EC I actually think those blocks were manufactured like that. I have a dozen of them and most look like that.

D.

It is sad that like Edchris I had to start a thread here to get a seller to respond about an issue. Obviously ignoring an issue does not make it go away in the world of public forums.

Now that both have stated their cases, Lets talk cats. EdChris tell us about that Tornado project?

~~ I bought 5 items from Hullflyer.... No problem here. Lets do what Pete said and move on... So EdChris, tell us about that Tornado project !!!!