When we first purchased the ARC 22, the PO had installed a forward crossbeam and net to fill that forward space, as he saw the boat as a cruiser as well. And if that's how you use the boat, fine. But if you plan to ever drive the boat hard in breeze, or have a chance of getting caught out in a building wind, you will quickly discover the downside of the arrangement. The first time we drove the bow under with all that gear up there, it immediately pitchpoled, a thrilling event with a boat this size. We subsequently removed it all, and can now recover quite easily from sticking the bow, as the boat is not slowed so drastically when it goes under. So if you cruise casually in light and moderate conditions, and accept the performance compromises the extra weight of the gear and potentially extra crewmembers extract, it can be great. Do consider using a more open net vs standard tramp material, which creates a bigger windage issue.
At this point my intentions are to use the boat as a family cruiser. I love the water and used to surf a lot. With kids now, I want something to do together as a family.
When I enter it into a race, like the Roughrider Regatta in September, I would remove it all. I will keep your suggestions in mind.
pbegle wrote: Damon, can you tell us who made that custom front tramp ? Thanks
I'll try to find out, it was a friend at Ocean Springs Yacht Club, the boat was sold to another member and I think it's still on the beach there.
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Damon Linkous
Here is your new boat.... addresses all your needs... These things are fast too, if it was close to me I would be on my way to buy it.
I had that bought but in the SC19XL version (daggerboards). I had a set of plugs from Aquarius to insert in the daggerboard trunks if I didn't want to use the boards. It was a great boat, very smooth, very powerful. A friend borrowed it at for a couple local regattas and it hung in there with the modern boats for the most part. Self-tacking jibs are always nice!
That's a nice find!
I had that bought but in the SC19XL version (daggerboards).
I have sailed and capsized that version - fun and fast boat
big and bad!
the one i was on (many times) had a little travler car on the foot of the main for a adjustable outhaul... was a beast
MN3
davefarmer wrote: When we first purchased the ARC 22, the PO had installed a forward crossbeam and net to fill that forward space, as he saw the boat as a cruiser as well. And if that's how you use the boat, fine. But if you plan to ever drive the boat hard in breeze, or have a chance of getting caught out in a building wind, you will quickly discover the downside of the arrangement. The first time we drove the bow under with all that gear up there, it immediately pitchpoled, a thrilling event with a boat this size. We subsequently removed it all, and can now recover quite easily from sticking the bow, as the boat is not slowed so drastically when it goes under. So if you cruise casually in light and moderate conditions, and accept the performance compromises the extra weight of the gear and potentially extra crewmembers extract, it can be great. Do consider using a more open net vs standard tramp material, which creates a bigger windage issue.
My SC17 has a triangular forward tramp to eliminate that issue: it runs across the cross beam and tapers to a point at the bridle. Plenty of space for extra gear and foredeck work, and no chance of catching when you dunk a bow. Very nice setup.
In general, I'll add my +1 for the Supercat. I sail in Sarasota Bay so forget about daggerboards: it's just too shallow. For a boardless cat I think the SC hull points really well, and as said, you'll have a hard time pitch-poling it due to the massive bows. It's a beast on a reach - mine is upgraded with ARC17 sails and they really drive it hard. I also have a kite setup which I haven't tried yet but I'm excited to let it fly with an asymmetric up!
Don't underestimate the weight of the mast: it's a breeze to put up with a gin pole, but what a pain the rear! My wife and I can hoist ours up easily without aids, but it's a two person job and it took some practice to get the technique down.
Also: wet - very. Yes, you'll get wet on a cat, but on many cats you stay dry most of the time. The crew is going to get nailed all the time on a SC in a decent blow. Not a big deal in our warm water - in fact it's a nice bonus feature! But you wouldn't catch me on one in cold water.
Edited by sjbrit on May 30, 2017 - 04:58 PM.
good writeup sjbrit
MN3
Im headed to pick up a supercat 19x tomorrow morning. I will add some pictures once I bring her home. Im excited! Blasting down the channel in the lee of padre island should be fun.
Are you picking up the one in Kemah?
I contacted the guy, but he already had an offer.
If that's the one, then congrats, that looks like an amazing boat.
If you ever decide to sell it, give me a shout. Seriously.
Yep, thats the one. Thanks. Will do and I will probably bring it down to S. padre on occasion. I have family in Laguna Vista.
Check your PM jdlg.
jdlg wrote: Im headed to pick up a supercat 19x tomorrow morning. I will add some pictures once I bring her home. Im excited! Blasting down the channel in the lee of padre island should be fun.
Glad to see someone jumped on this.. look forward to hearing more about it... enjoy!
Jdlg, we're waiting for those pics, man. Let's see 'em!
How do you attach an image?
Here.
https://www.thebeachcats.com/faq/Forums/pictures-in-forum-faq
Edited by chump23 on Jun 03, 2017 - 11:07 AM.
Hopefully next Thursday will be the first launch day. Either out in the Gulf or the Laguna.
Cheers!
Jeff
That's a nice looking boat!
Congrats, Jeff!
I'm jealous.
Thanks! I'm going to lengthen the trailer tongue (trailer is for a hobie 16) and add some cradles for the rear instead of rollers. I'm also hoping to build a gin pole to help ease raising the mast. Another option is a mast cradle vertical extension with a pulley for better leverage. I also want to fair the rudders a bit. Its a great catamaran and I'm excited to sail it. Its been too long for me without a beach cat!
Definitely get those rudders faired. They are a huge part of the lift produced by that hull and when the leading edge gets worn down at the bottom they can get out of balance. I have a gin pole setup for the SC17 which you could replicate - I would have to take some pics and measure to get you what you need if interested. In the end I gave up on the gin pole since it takes extra steps and time. I turned the cat around so it's stern first on the trailer, so with the mast in its front trailer support you already have the hard part of stepping done! Get the bottom secured and heave it up from there, using the trapeze lines for lateral stability. Helps a ton, especially if you can park on a slope too.
jdlg wrote: cradles for the rear instead of rollers.
I would use it like that first to see if you like it. Rollers on the rear and cradles on the front = single-handed trailering off the beach dolly.
I second keeping the rollers on the rear. It makes things very easy. I haven't loaded mine on the trailer backwards yet, but I may try it soon.
Reason I wanted cradles on the rear is we have really crappy roads in my town. I dont like the small contact point which results in increased pressure on one spot underneath. I will try it first as is though. Good points.
Im pretty sure i can hoist the mast, Ill just heave it up there the first time and see what i need to change if anything. Launching the boat stern first might be a good option also.
Thanks for the tips.
Noticed you got the 17 supercat. sea ya on the beach. south packery padre island. regards carl
H-16 s/n 83412 "full circle" aka red dot
chump23 wrote:
I'm jealous.
It could have been yours!!!!! 😆
JohnES wrote: [quote=chump23]
I'm jealous.
It could have been yours!!!!! 😆
I know. I was just a couple hours/mins late on the call. Thanks for rubbing it in. I have called dibs on it if he ever decides to sell, though.
oceanmandalay wrote: Noticed you got the 17 supercat. sea ya on the beach. south packery padre island. regards carl
H-16 s/n 83412 "full circle" aka red dot
Actually, this discussion got derailed when a link to a 19' Supercat for sale was posted. jdlg picked it up.
either way if 17/19 etal if it is a corpus christi area boat we could use a few more
sjbrit wrote: I would use it like that first to see if you like it. Rollers on the rear and cradles on the front = single-handed trailering off the beach dolly.
I agree.
In fact, make a bracket/frame that holds TWO rollers for each side in the rear, using the existing roller axle for a pivot. This will spread the load on the fiberglass hull, in effect halving the imprint force.
Drill the holes for the pivot toward the front of the frame (1/4" to 1/2") so that the rollers fall back unloaded, facing the rear, which will make loading the cat onto the trailer easier from the water.