Smyth Sails ????

Smyth sails are always well-made sails,
For 200$ you got a good set of sails.

Smyth makes good sails, legend in the sport.

http://www.catsailor.com/hall_fame/RandySmyth.html

I *think* Schurr makes the sails he designs.

yurdle wrote: I *think* Schurr makes the sails he designs.

I just ordered and received a set from smyth for my N20 (gone open 20) His sails have not been made by Schurr in 3-4 years. Mine came from the Philippines.

Turbohobo, sounds like your sails were designed by smyth and built by Glaser, I believe that is where they are located.

Edited by bacho on Aug 23, 2012 - 08:49 PM.

I have a similar set of heavy white sails for my P18. Can't remember the maker but they might be the same.

being heavier/crisper are they racing sails?

bacho wrote: [quote=yurdle]I *think* Schurr makes the sails he designs.

I just ordered and received a set from smyth for my N20 (gone open 20) His sails have not been made by Schurr in 3-4 years. Mine came from the Philippines.

Turbohobo, sounds like your sails were designed by smyth and built by Glaser, I believe that is where they are located.Edited by bacho on Aug 23, 2012 - 08:49 PM.

Interesting. Do you use portsmouth for open 20 when against other type boats?

turbohobo wrote: being heavier/crisper are they racing sails?

No idea I bought mine used on the classifieds here can't say I can tell if there is a for sure I provment over my tequila sunrise set or not. My wife hates that they are just white because she can't tell me part from the other boats

yurdle wrote:

Interesting. Do you use portsmouth for open 20 when against other type boats?

Open 20 has a rating at the moment, but that's a whole separate debate for another thread.

Quarath wrote: [quote=turbohobo]being heavier/crisper are they racing sails?

White sails are normally made from a heavier cloth, 5-6 oz. Colored sails are made from less dense material so they can accept the color dye roughly 3.8 oz

No idea I bought mine used on the classifieds here can't say I can tell if there is a for sure I provment over my tequila sunrise set or not. My wife hates that they are just white because she can't tell me part from the other boats

Jay and Pease Glaser still have their loft in Huntington Beach, California.
Smyth is based in Fort Walton Beach, Florida.
Turbohobo, you just bought some hot rod cloth for your P16. I suspect they are from the 80's, just before Smyth and Glaser formed Danger Sails. Somebody took good care of them.

turbohobo wrote: being heavier/crisper are they racing sails?

Probably ocean racing sails. You are going to need to learn to trim these sails a bit more precisely than the standard issue sails. Don't get discouraged by the learning curve. Fast will take some time to learn.

Quarath wrote: My wife hates that they are just white because she can't tell me part from the other boats

Tell your wife to look for the white blur on the horizon-- that'll be you.

Edited by klozhald on Aug 24, 2012 - 05:58 PM.

I e-mailed Randy and got this response:-

Hi Robert:

You’ve got some ‘state of the art’ P16 race sails from the late 1980’s. Today I’m building P16 Mains with Square Top Heads and more modern materials.

Have fun,

Randy

I'm missing the top 3 battens for these Smyth sails, they are "black racing battens", anyone know where I can source these?

They sound like the foam core fiberglass sandwich battens that came with the sail originally. It is going to be hard to find the right ones on CL or eBay. Maybe somebody here has some, like pbegle. Shoot him a private message, and see if anybody here has a few.

Probably overkill since you I'll not like be racing one offs. Just put some reg battens in and sail it.

Check MURRAYS CAT BATTEN FOAM I think they used to be call black magic battens.

www.murrays.com

klozhald wrote: They sound like the foam core fiberglass sandwich battens that came with the sail originally. It is going to be hard to find the right ones on CL or eBay. Maybe somebody here has some, like pbegle. Shoot him a private message, and see if anybody here has a few.

The original foam battens where sort of yellow in color like fiberglass. Later after market black magic battens were made, they are not as wide as the originals but of better quality materials.

bacho wrote: [quote=yurdle]

Interesting. Do you use portsmouth for open 20 when against other type boats?

Open 20 has a rating at the moment, but that's a whole separate debate for another thread.

Yes it does, and a sham of a rating at that... like you said a whole other discussion...

hullflyer wrote: The original foam battens where sort of yellow in color like fiberglass. Later after market black magic battens were made, they are not as wide as the originals but of better quality materials.

Sorry, I meant that the original Smyth battens were the black ones.
I had a set for my P16 Smyth main back in the eighties. The stock Prindle battens were the natural resin colors, but SurfGlas did offer an upgrade to the same black battens Smyth used-for a price.

Thanks Elias, and you too Bob, these battens have coloured layers, black, redish-orange, black, there is a label, it is faded, I can read "black racing", nothing else. I think I found similar battens at West Marine, they are a little cheaper than Murrays, what do you guys think?

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=970586&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=50045&subdeptNum=50110&classNum=50116#.UDqYkaDAGq0

Thanks Elias, you too Bob, I think West Marine has something similar

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=970586&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=50045&subdeptNum=50110&classNum=50116#.UDqdP6DAGq1

What do you think?

do you have email for smyth? I am interested in a square top quote

Smythsails@cox.net

Thx Much Bacho

Thanks Elias, you too Bob, I think West Marine has something similar

http://www.westmarine.com…ssNum=50116#.UDqdP6DAGq1

What do you think?

I think that these are too thick. The upper three battens on a 16 main are all thinner than the lower battens by at least half. You need them thin to allow some draft. Flat panels at the top will not do much good.

I would start by asking Smyth and Glaser sails if they have any foam battens for your pinhead sail. They will know exactly what to send you if they have them. Murrays may be more expensive, but they will also know what will work on your sail. West Marine will not know, so it will fall on you to make the correct selection.

And at this point, I wouldn't worry about the color as much as getting foam core battens in the correct size.

Prindle Pete had some battens for me to complete the set for my Smyth sails, he also supplied me with main halyard and a hiking stick, I took the P16 out on a blustery 15 mph windy day and had an awesome sail. I put some tension on the battens, the sail has 2 3-sheave bullit blocks attached to the tack, 1 on each side, giving me ridiculous downhaul, found I have so much more control of the "boat", could get a 45 degree angle on the hulls and was able to hold it there with minimum effort. Needless to say, spent the day flying a hull.

:ficktmich:

Edited by turbohobo on Sep 25, 2012 - 08:44 PM.

Have a complete set of Seaman glas/foam core P-16 battens available. Pete