dmydlack wrote: Really beautiful! May I ask, what is the roller furling that you have?
The kit that comes for Murrays Marine.. Harkan Roller furler drum and Ronstan spinner
My P18.2 (bought used) came with that roller furler and it works very nicely.
However, my jib has two horizontal batten pockets that extend from the leach forward about 10", yet there were no battens in them when I got it. I assume the prior owner may have removed them so he could use the furler. However, in strong air I was getting significant fluttering along the jib leech right where the largest batten pocket is located, and I noticed the sail material in that area seemed to have lost its stiffness. I felt that was probably degrading the performance of the jib (and maybe main too), so I just had battens installed - which means I won't be able to use the furler, or won't be able to use it all the way. Maybe something to consider re getting a furler.
PS, compliments on the refurbished boat - looks like new in photos.
Edited by CatFan57 on Jun 12, 2019 - 02:38 PM.
you can get new batten pockets that are angled and allow you to furl your jib and have battens too
MN3
same kit on mine
Edited by carl2 on Jun 12, 2019 - 02:55 PM.
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https://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures?g2_itemId=128562&g2_GALLERYSID=eb1256883ad86d2562d1971165bc91af [del][/del]
Randy Smyth made my furling jib
Edited by carl2 on Jun 12, 2019 - 03:03 PM.
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Same kit here.
I pulled the battens after they started to damage the sail and the cover. They are fine for sailing but not for storage. My next jib will be built to furl.
BTW, the screw-pin holding the pigtail and swivel together will work loose. You could lose a mast. I would check it at least once a year.
nohuhu wrote: BTW, the screw-pin holding the pigtail and swivel together will work loose. You could lose a mast. I would check it at least once a year.
Didn't know that, never examined it closely, thanks for the tip, will check mine, no, don't feel like losing a mast.
yikes!
how bout using some Loctite or similar?
MN3
Fer sure. It comes pre-assembled by Murrays, and apparently they didn’t use any.
In fact, it’s a low profile pin and you wouldn’t even think to check it. But a furling forestay, with a snorkel is subject to tons of vibration and rotation that a static forestay, minus the sail, does not contend with.
I recently had an upper forestay shackle fail (on the :-O water) and discovered that the swivel pin was walking itself loose too. Everything was less than 2 years old, and stored mast up.
It’s a good idea to use only LOCKING shackles and also periodically inspect the turnbuckle buried inside your jib luff sleeve.
Fer sure. It comes pre-assembled by Murrays, and apparently they didn’t use any.
In fact, it’s a low profile pin and you wouldn’t even think to check it. But a furling forestay, with a snorkel is subject to tons of vibration and rotation that a static forestay, minus the sail, does not contend with.
I recently had an upper forestay shackle fail (on the water) and discovered that the swivel pin was walking itself loose too. Everything was less than 2 years old, and stored mast up.
It’s a good idea to use only LOCKING shackles and also periodically inspect the turnbuckle buried inside your jib luff sleeve.
I didn't want to say anything negative but i prefer harken upper swivel for beach cats
most other (20' dingy size) brands aren't serviceable and i have seen several ronstan (and other branbds) fail - but you can change bearings out on the harken ones
as per the pin walking - i have found as long as i put a tool on the shackle to secure it - i have never had one work free - i have several that have bent and worn but never lost a pin unless it was hand secured
(non mast up storage)
"LOCKING shackles " - what do you mean? ones with a hole in the pin's head for seizing wire?
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Yes, wireable pins. The failed shackle was tool tightened and taped, not wired. The only one that wasn’t.
Regarding the furler’s pigtail, picture the weight of a tensioned rig resting on that swivel pin, via the thimble. Then take the mast and rock it back and forth a little, a few thousand times. It’s easy to see how it could rotate the horizontal pin over time.
I don’t believe there’s any way to wire or tape it, so loctite seems the best solution.
Bingo! My go-to choice when seizing wire or zip tie are not being used is the red loc-tite. An old timer taught me how to think like a Gremlin - simply put, how could I f-up the boat causing havoc and chaos amongst the parts and pieces onboard? What could break and cause to most trouble? From there I learned to look at the things a lot differently and became surprisingly proactive in maintaining the boat in B-0 ready status. Although I’ve had Murphy onboard in years past, he doesn’t seem to show up as much anymore, but I know he’s out there waiting and watching!
Does the red let you unscrew with pliers? I’ve always heard red holds to well and blue not well enough
I think Loctite 243 Blue is usually recommended. (Medium strength seize).
In the red tube, of course 🙄
Oh- and the head of that flush pin is slotted for a small flathead. And it strips easily.
We now return you to Johns original P18-2 thread,.. 😆
nohuhu wrote: Fer sure. It comes pre-assembled by Murrays, and apparently they didn’t use any.
In fact, it’s a low profile pin and you wouldn’t even think to check it. But a furling forestay, with a snorkel is subject to tons of vibration and rotation that a static forestay, minus the sail, does not contend with.
I recently had an upper forestay shackle fail (on the :-O water) and discovered that the swivel pin was walking itself loose too. Everything was less than 2 years old, and stored mast up.
It’s a good idea to use only LOCKING shackles and also periodically inspect the turnbuckle buried inside your jib luff sleeve.
There was a recall on the Ronstan swivels last December... Murray's sent me a new one with an pre-samped return envelope...
You may want to look into that...
tstein wrote: Bingo! An old timer taught me how to think like a Gremlin - simply put, how could I f-up the boat causing havoc and chaos amongst the parts and pieces onboard? What could break and cause to most trouble?
In my "airport rat" days I use to hang out at the local maintenance shop trying to absorb what I could... One of the old grizzly mechanics would say the same thing.. Also taught me to find out what caused the part to break or failure and fix that too...
Edited by JohnES on Jun 15, 2019 - 11:36 AM.
Contacted Murrays. Thanks John.
There was a recall on the Ronstan swivels last December... Murray's sent me a new one with an pre-samped return envelope...
You may want to look into that...
I did. It's been over a week since I contacted them by email. Absolutely NO response. Pathetic.
Almost as lame as the order they lost for 2 months at the end of last year. Again - just silence until you chase them and chase them. :ticktick: WTH! :heybaby:
FWIW, my research finds no public recall of the ronstan product... 
Almost as lame as the order they lost for 2 months at the end of last year. Again - just silence until you chase them and chase them
That is weak - in this day and age you can't have customer support issues like this - there is too much competition for online business
MN3
Disappointing to hear about the lack of response in this case to an email, but I called them a couple of weeks ago about a trap adjustment rigging issue and a representative spent a long time on the phone with me discussing a subject that was clearly not going to make them much money once I decided what I needed to order. So I was impressed and thankful for the time/service they provided.
We had an issue with them sending us the wrong trap wires last week. A call to them and the new ones were on the way along with a return authorization for the wrong parts. They were also very helpful during the ordering
process with figuring out which lines to order to match our adjusters. I think the take away from these last two posts is to pick up the phone and give them a call and they will most likely give you the answers that you are looking for.
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nohuhu wrote:
There was a recall on the Ronstan swivels last December... Murray's sent me a new one with an pre-samped return envelope...
You may want to look into that...
I did. It's been over a week since I contacted them by email. Absolutely NO response. Pathetic.
Almost as lame as the order they lost for 2 months at the end of last year. Again - just silence until you chase them and chase them. :ticktick: WTH! :heybaby:
That doesn't sound like the Murray's Marine that I have been dealing with since the Ronnie Ray-Gun's first term... living on both the west and the east coast...
You should try calling them, they do have an 800 number.
Edited by JohnES on Jun 25, 2019 - 01:59 PM.
Thanks guys. It's not just an email, it's a confirmed online order that went missing, and slow or no responses to inquiries about that. In "theory", online ordering is there to prevent mistakes and track fulfillment.
My past orders with Murrays were not an issue. Some were done over the phone. But relying on personal phone contact works against me in my time zone.
Don't get me wrong. I appreciate Murrays expert knowledge and location, and inventory. But lately, they've demonstrated to me that they have some quality control and communications issues that management seriously needs to work on.
This forum is an appropriate place for us to bring this up, as well as any "stellar" retail experiences they may have provided.
Not excusing Murray’s non response, but they have always been responsive to me. Tom has helped me out a few times on some time sensitive items that really saved the day, including getting me a Hobie 16 main from California to Florida in the knick of time when I tore mine before a big trip.
nohuhu wrote: Thanks guys. It's not just an email, it's a confirmed online order that went missing, and slow or no responses to inquiries about that. In "theory", online ordering is there to prevent mistakes and track fulfillment.
My past orders with Murrays were not an issue. Some were done over the phone. But relying on personal phone contact works against me in my time zone.
Don't get me wrong. I appreciate Murrays expert knowledge and location, and inventory. But lately, they've demonstrated to me that they have some quality control and communications issues that management seriously needs to work on.
This forum is an appropriate place for us to bring this up, as well as any "stellar" retail experiences they may have provided.
I would call them and ask for Dray, Tom, or Steve Murray and relay your concerns with them as well... If something is lacking I am sure they would be grateful for your feedback.
Mahalo for that, John. It's being worked on and I appear not to be effected by this.
Did they ever mention what the recall issue was?
nohuhu wrote: Mahalo for that, John. It's being worked on and I appear not to be effected by this.
Did they ever mention what the recall issue was?
Some quality control thing and a few of them failed... don't remember the particulars..
Edited by JohnES on Jun 26, 2019 - 08:37 AM.