Nacra Rudder System, Pivmatics and Bungee Setup

UFB!!! I hang by head in shame and frustration . . .

Has anybody actually READ this thread from the beginning?? :wallbash:

I'm curious Ed, are you providing a summary of everything I have said in this thread, or are you making an attempt to enlighten the literacy challenged? 😕 I go back and read this whole thing and I don't know if I want to laugh or cry. Do I need to make a tutorial video??

mryella, you asked earlier . . . "Was the extra hog ring just to keep things neat or does it have a practical purpose?" It does have a purpose, it keeps the bungee in place (nearest the bungee hole on the trailing edge of the rudder) over the radius of the rudder, when in the down position, facilitating an efficient raising of the rudder (from a leverage perspective) and as previously mentioned, keeps the bungee from falling to the sides of the rudder when in the down position. If you folks are not doing this then it won't work worth a crap.

Zach, you're right! I've got a rudder here. I'm going to take some picture of it shortly and illustrate . . . .

UFB!!!

lol, that should probably be your sig. 😉

mummp wrote: UFB!!! I hang by head in shame and frustration . . .

Has anybody actually READ this thread from the beginning?? :wallbash:

I'm curious Ed, are you providing a summary of everything I have said in this thread, or are you making an attempt to enlighten the literacy challenged? 😕 I go back and read this whole thing and I don't know if I want to laugh or cry. Do I need to make a tutorial video??

mryella, you asked earlier . . . "Was the extra hog ring just to keep things neat or does it have a practical purpose?" It does have a purpose, it keeps the bungee in place (nearest the bungee hole on the trailing edge of the rudder) over the radius of the rudder, when in the down position, facilitating an efficient raising of the rudder (from a leverage perspective) and as previously mentioned, keeps the bungee from falling to the sides of the rudder when in the down position. If you folks are not doing this then it won't work worth a crap.

Zach, you're right! I've got a rudder here. I'm going to take some picture of it shortly and illustrate . . . .

Makes perfect sense thanks man.

Has anybody actually READ this thread from the beginning??

YES

I'm curious Ed, are you providing a summary of everything I have said in this thread, or are you making an attempt to enlighten the literacy challenged?

Yes, & Yes.
I don't personally now the people on this forum. They might be ESL,(I know for a fact some are), they might be dyslexic, or perhaps they simply don't read/comprehend as well as others. My neighbour owns a tool & die making business. He has a CNC operator that if handed a detailed description, would butcher it. Show him a part, or give him a block of titanium & a micrometer & a copy of SolidWorks(CAD) & he can build anything.
I reiterated what you wrote, because through experience I have found that sometimes quite smart people don't understand what appear to be good directions. They ALWAYS make sense to the author, because, after all he wrote them! Often, the same information, in a slightly different wording, makes all the difference.
In my business 15 morgues are not big enough to handle the results of mistaken comprehensions, therefore we find multiple ways to convey the same information. In an earlier life, it was not good when your buddy shot YOU out of the sky due to a simple mistake, & it happened more often than the Brass would ever admit. One "comma" can make a sentence read entirely different to two separate minds, hence the plethora of lawyers.
Some folk read well, others understand what they hear, & many only what they see.
So, yeah, make a video, that will help out that weird tribe I ran across decades ago in Micronesia, & the Italians.

Man this thread really blew up. Mummp no need to post pics. Found a how to by searching on google with good pics. http://www.rclandsailing.com/licsa/LICSA98rudderuphaulproject.htm

Sorry for the short response, on my phone right now.

That's what I thought Ed. Glad to know that I'm not the only one.

I've decided to nip this in the bud. The original Nacra rudders subject has been beat to death for years, even on the old website, and the old mail list from past years. I'm working on a detailed technical folder, that I will share the link to when it's ready. The intent will be to direct folks to it to get as much detailed information as they need.

In the mean time, someone else will need to champion the cause for the dreaded and redundant "I'm new to beachcats, which boat should I get?" ad nauseam threads.

Edchris177 wrote:

Has anybody actually READ this thread from the beginning??

YES

I'm curious Ed, are you providing a summary of everything I have said in this thread, or are you making an attempt to enlighten the literacy challenged?

Yes, & Yes.
I don't personally now the people on this forum. They might be ESL,(I know for a fact some are), they might be dyslexic, or perhaps they simply don't read/comprehend as well as others.

...or somebody like me after car accident recovering from severe concussion and whom despite engineering education is still difficult to read and comprehend someone’s thoughts.
I thought that one of the main purposes for this forum is to learn, so I only ask for little patience for others.

+1

Edited by scotts1w on May 13, 2013 - 06:23 PM.

In case anyone misconstrues my post, the flavour was/is that it is perfectly OK to ask the same question a hundred times.
Anyone who does any teaching sees the same questions asked year after year. If I had a $ for every skier I see leading the turns with the upper body, I'd be retired.
In the second quote above, I should not have included the 2nd "yes".

Also included, should have been the use of spell check, know, not now, in the sentence "I don't personally now the people on this forum"quote=Edchris177]In case anyone misconstrues my post, the flavour was/is that it is perfectly OK to ask the same question a hundred times.
Anyone who does any teaching sees the same questions asked year after year. If I had a $ for every skier I see leading the turns with the upper body, I'd be retired.
In the second quote above, I should not have included the 2nd "yes".

I just replaced the bungees on my 5.7. One departure that I noted on my boat, not my idea but I stayed with it, was to use a 1" hose clamp instead of the hog rings on the upper ends of the bungees. It still allows you to tuck the clamp/bungees into the rudder arm, and will allow some easy adjustment to compensate for stretching down the road.

I have been away from the site for a while but I pitched the bungee/rope BS and put on a set of Inter Rudders on my 5.5 and it is the single best mod I have made to the boat. JMHO. Got most of the stuff used and had to buy one arm and one casting all in about $700 if I remember correctly. Worth it in my opinion. RIchard.