Injection Sail Cloth, Colorful Technology

Time for a new main. 😀 BTW clearwater will be helping with Olympic training.

Time for a new main.

Good luck with that, the 17 is a great boat. We have quite a few of them in our fleet

I was wanting the Blue Injection sail cloth for my main, however I think I am going for the all black and white look (I still have new NACRA graphics Blue/ black, I can just not put blue on). I have narrowed my search to three sail makers making decision this week.

Jenna thank you, I went from a Hobie wave to my Inter 17. I am very confident now but damn what a jump 2 years ago. 😀

WILL

My new Purple/ blue sails are in the Elliot Pattison loft under manufacturer. It is the later/ newer color combo of the DP material. They (DP) will do small runs for the beachcat market. I got pictures of the roll in the loft this past Friday from Ian Elliot. Cant wait to fly them on my Infusion.

I'd like to see more color in our beachcat sails!

Long live color. The grey stuff was nice as a change up for about 6 months then it got really old fast. The problem with these grey sails is they get lost on the water and hard to see. That is a problem if you ever get in trouble way out on the edge where the earth ends and you fall over the edge into oblivion. I hate when that happens

Edited by JennaMeyer on Jan 20, 2014 - 10:04 AM.

Here is the finished main sail on the loft floor. It is basically is done except for the Nacra logo and sail number
I love it.

http://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures/?g2_itemId=107165

JennaMeyer wrote: Here is the finished main sail on the loft floor.

Nice! I like how they did the large window with the curved leading end.

Okay Jenna how do you like the new sails? I need to replace mine before spring sailing season and the infused sails look hot! We look forward to statue run again this year!

customcraftsman wrote: Okay Jenna how do you like the new sails? I need to replace mine before spring sailing season and the infused sails look hot! We look forward to statue run again this year!

I'm not Jenna but I like mine! This was the thread where I became inspired to get the die infused sails for my Hobie 18, Skip and Ian Elliot went out of there way to get everything just as I wanted, and then spent a lot of time on the phone with my this summer giving tips on sail trim so I'd get the most out of it.

I went from the light grey sails that were nearly invisible on the water to these that can be seen from space. 😀

You guys have chosen great sails, love those EP's!
I truly believe beach cat sails need to be vivid, loud and recognizable from a long distance, not just plain white/grey?
Since I'm a relatively recent Beach cat owner ( 5 years ) I can't tell you how excited I get driving over a bridge or near a beach whilst scanning the ocean/lake/beach and see multicolored sails out on the water. Instantly want to head to the local sail club, buy rounds of beer for everyone and reflect on my personal ear to ear grins from sailing! One day I'll get to try out a brand new sail set but from the race results I've seen, they're worth every penny!

Damon any pictures of your sails. I thought that was what you had.

Ted,

My avatar picture is my H18 with the new EP sails,

there are a bunch of others in the Juana Good Time album here.
http://www.thebeachcats.com/pictures?g2_itemId=109637

This picture shows how big the square top is, my previous grey Pentex squaretop from Whirlwind Sails had about a 24 inch squaretop, this one is 53 inches and at a more square angle. The total sail area is about the same as the previous squaretop and of a stock Hobie sail due to less roach down the sail.

Damon, how does the pentex jib hold up with furling?
I leave mine rigged all summer, & have heard pentex degrades when snugly furled.

Edchris177 wrote: Damon, how does the pentex jib hold up with furling?
I leave mine rigged all summer, & have heard pentex degrades when snugly furled.

I don't leave my jib rolled up all season so couldn't tell you for sure. My general rule is I'll leave the jib furled if I'm going to sail the next day for sure, otherwise I take it down.

Furling is bad for sails because of both sun and wind damage. I you use a furling sock type cover those sometimes are loose enough to flog in the wind and damage the sail by friction, and in my area mud wasps love to build nests in the folds of the sail. If you don't use a cover then the leech gets a ton of UV damage.

I can understand that leaving the jib furled can make things so much easier if you sail a lot that it might pay to just consider the jib a "wear item" and plan to replace it often.

I haven't read anything definitive on the comparative damage between woven and laminate sails in those cases.

The EP color injected sails use the heavier 3 mil mylar instead of 1.5 so they feel sturdier than sails made with less expensive cloth. EP doesn't have a "budget" line of sails, so any sails they build are meant to be the best they can build for the application. My Hobie 18 jib has several short battens sewn into the leech at such an angle that when the sail is furled they line up with the forestay. I'd never had that on any previous sail and completely eliminated the "flutter" common on the giant H18 jib.

I will warn anyone who makes the jump from "soft" dacron sails to the high-end laminate sails used on all the modern beachcats is that they do require different handling when raising and lowering to avoid kinking or creasing the sail which can damage the mylar or fibers in the sandwich. Most of us roll, rather than fold the main sail, but fold or "wad" the jib with old dacron sails and you don't want to do that with laminates.

The good side is they aren't prone to stains like woven cloth sails.

If you don't use a cover then the leech gets a ton of UV damage.

I thought the socks were a PITA, I had the sailmaker sew a UV strip to all my jibs, (it goes along foot & leech) none of the sail is exposed when furled.
When keeping the Cats on a modified Seadoo lift, it is a real PITA to hoist or remove jib, maybe less for you cause you're 10' tall:-D
Standing between the hulls, in waist deep water I can barely touch the furling drum. In order to hoist/remove a jib you have to place a 2x6 across the hulls to sit on. The Mystere 6XL, with a 10' beam was worse, so I hoist it once & leave it furled.
Maybe for new jibs I'll just stick with Dacron.

My Hobie 18 jib has several short battens sewn into the leech at such an angle that when the sail is furled they line up with the forestay. I'd never had that on any previous sail and completely eliminated the "flutter" common on the giant H18 jib.

The old Nacra jibs have those, originally they were parallel to the foot. I left them out once & it fluttered, unless sheeted to the max, which can be counterproductive.
When I went to furling the sailmaker removed them & installed 2 new ones, that matched the forestay, but were twice as long, to make up for the angle. If you don't match the forestay it furls like crap.

Damon I just ordered the injection in Tangerine! it is going to be LOUD! Now I cant really wait for the Ice to melt up here! 4 more weeks till the first community fleet race at Sacandaga!

customcraftsman wrote: Damon I just ordered the injection in Tangerine! it is going to be LOUD! Now I cant really wait for the Ice to melt up here! 4 more weeks till the first community fleet race at Sacandaga!

Cool, that's going to be awesome on the big 21SE.

Got to ask, did you order from EP or "brand x"?

Damon

customcraftsman wrote: Damon I just ordered the injection in Tangerine! it is going to be LOUD! Now I cant really wait for the Ice to melt up here! 4 more weeks till the first community fleet race at Sacandaga!

Congrats!
jib too?

damonlinkous wrote: [quote=customcraftsman]Damon I just ordered the injection in Tangerine! it is going to be LOUD! Now I cant really wait for the Ice to melt up here! 4 more weeks till the first community fleet race at Sacandaga!

Cool, that's going to be awesome on the big 21SE.

Got to ask, did you order from EP or "brand x"?

Damon

yes I ordered the job and main. Square top!
Skip Eliot is building it.

customcraftsman wrote:
yes I ordered the job and main. Square top!
Skip Eliot is building it.

Nice, can't wait to see the pictures. Have you been using stock sails or were you already using a square-top or pentex sail? I found it to be much more of a change than I exprected when I got my first Pentex Square-top and another big change to the more powerful EP sails. Really had to learn to sail the boat all over again.

Talked to skip tonight and the material has arrived and should get cut tomorrow! Can't wait to see what they will look like. This will be my first sailing with square top sail. They will most likely be more powerful than the used sails I have been using. They were delaminating as season went on last year and I could tell performance was lagging.

I am very happy with mine from EP in the red blue. Very explosive color
Jenna

JennaMeyer wrote: I am very happy with mine from EP in the red blue. Very explosive color
Jenna

Hi Jenna, your sails were the inspiration to take the plunge, I went from nearly invisible light-grey sails to "hard to miss". 😀

Sails arrived and we went sailing yesterday. Pretty awesome. Boat points very high now. Will post pictures!