Hobie 21SE sails for sale?

Thanks for being frank about it.

🙂 no problem - I'm a straight shooter and don't often "flower" up my tone

there are other options besides a h21 for a family of 4
there is the supercat 20
dart 20
miracle 20
gcat21
mystere 6.0 (same crew space/size as my 5.5) but would be fine with wings
and others I am sure

most of these boats have tall rigs and besides the dart 20 are all pretty powerful crafts. not sure if they are the right boat for a family of 4. all depends on skipper and first mate's skill level, kids ability to follow orders and
surf conditions

heck even a getaway with wings could be a good family boat

chump23 wrote: Right, but it also has 3.5' long dagger boards.....

Don't worry about it. Boarded boats are easy to sail in shallow water. Just raise them to a shallower depth than the rudders. When your rudders release in the shallows you are now essentially in the same predicament as a boardless boat.
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The SC20 does well with daggerboards part way down. I think the SC19 had a board less option with the same basic hull design. If I recall as long as you drive the nose down a little it provides some horizontal resistance. the rudders have a sacrificial plastic dowel that is designed to protect the transom, wouldn't depend on it, but nice to have. 12' wide boat is a handful to setup, and I would not recommend trailer sailing it.

Check the Aquarius sailing forum I think there is info there about th board less versions of th Supercats.

While I agree that trailer sailing the SC20 has downsides, it is the only way we've ever done it! It takes about and hour to assemble and another hour to tear down once you know what you're doing, maybe a little faster. It all comes down to if you enjoy it or not. I do. 🙂 Typically it isn't windy in the mornings when we put it together and I like being off the water before sunset and it is a nice way to end the day by sunset. But I'll admit I'm probably in the minority here.

I live about 500 yards from the local marina, and would only be trailering it on residential roads. I intend to leave any boat I purchase full width on the trailer. As long as the marina gate is more than 12 feet! :-O

And there are no overhead power lines or limbs that the mast will hit. But yeah, if you have plans like that the SC20 would be great. I really do love that boat which is why it gets to live inside. 🙂

chump23 wrote: Right, but it also has 3.5' long dagger boards. Can I cut them down, and still sail upwind? I've thought a lot about that boat, but it has two trailers to drag home. Can I stack them somehow?Edited by chump23 on Jul 13, 2016 - 03:24 PM.

Bring help along and you can stack the trailers. We went 2 hours once for a free H16. brought our trailer and planned on just bringing the boat home. After beachwheeling the boat to our trailer we decided to grab the trailer. Two of us muscled the old trailer onto ours, strapped it down, and then put the H16 onto the old trailer and off we went. Worked like a charm. Still sailing that freebie.

Pete

why do you think this? they are both 16' boats, the same size tramp area (I think) and has even less buoyancy in the hulls (I think).

The Nacra is actually closer to 17'. the tramp area is the same, but the N5.0 has WAY more buoyancy in the hulls.
We regularly put350lb on the 5.0, & sail the hell out of it in 25mph winds. My neighbor has 2 H16's, he is about 210lb, & that puts the H16 hulls very low in the water.

The 5.0 is a little small for 4, even if it is 2 adults & 2 kids. the 5.7 is a much better choice. I've done 21mph solo, 2 up,(double trapped), & 3 up, (2 on the wire, one on the hull).
The boardless Nacra is VERY simple, no boom, no boards, nothing to clutter the tramp. You probably WON'T have 4 onbaord all the time, both Nacra are a joy solo, one of the 20' boats might not be so much fun solo, when the wind gets up.
If you are in really shallow water, you can run those skeg hulls aground, without damage, unless it's onto sharp rocks). If you run a board into an immovable object, even a partially raised board, you will do major damage.