Juana Good Time Regatta 2014

So, bone up on the rules, get class compliant and let’s get ready to rumble! Look forward to seeing all the regulars and to meeting the first timers!

Captboz could you please point me to the Hobie 18 class rules? 🙂

Boz , I agree with you 100 percent, well said. And for the record, we lost our orange boats to an accident on the highway, we now have much newer boats, my son's is just 32 years old and mine is the youngster at 28 years old! Lol
We just finished stacking them this evening, looking forward to a safe trip down and seeing all our friends! Our friend Alex has been practicing quite a bit, he may be a local threat on his 38 year old boat!

For the record... Lol, we stopped accepting that award two years ago. I'm not sure what the rules are? I think part of it is based on how many waffle houses you pass on your way to navarre.
I'm thinking this year might be a very competitive race!
My goal this year is to nicely kick everyone's ass!

Ron- This address should get you to the class rules for all of the Hobie designs.

http://www.hobieclass.com/site/hobie/ihca/downloads/rulebook/RBook010413.pdf

The introduction on page 2 really sums up what its all about!
Boz

Thank you very much!

I read through it and it makes a lot of good sense.

Just so I have an understanding, Magnums race only against Magnums, not against H18 classics correct? (I guess what I'm asking is if one person shows up with a Magnum or SX do you not run the class or do you handicap him against the other 18s?)

Edited by rondog on Sep 01, 2014 - 08:44 PM.

I think this class thing is getting too complicated now.. but to make it more complicated... I thought a regular Hobie 18 and an 18 Magnum had the same rating. Don't know about the 18 SX.

I would think when it comes to something like a race Hobie puts on you're only going to see regular 18's there. A good example is the Hobie 14. In the 14 class at nationals and such you only see regular 14's. Not 14 turbos.

The part I mentioned earlier about possibly putting the singled handed 16's in the open class was because the 16 class is already a somewhat big class at Juanas. There are enough double handed 16's to for sure have a class..

captboz wrote: Hello Everybody-

A question was asked if this was “serious, head's down racing or more of a fun race?”

Jason “Boz” BosleyEdited by captboz on Sep 01, 2014 - 03:50 PM.

Very well said, Boz. A fun race is just that until one hears the blare of the starting gun. I downloaded the rules of racing from the International Sailing Federation and will bone up on the "right of way" guidelines. The last thing I want is to create any new beauty marks on my boat (or anyone else's for that matter).

I also read up on the H16 class rules. I do have a spin on my boat, but won't use it during the race. I don't want to remove it as it is a pain in the a$$, but I'm not yet competent enough with it to compete in a spin-class. My hope is they let me race non-spin if I promise to keep it in the snuffer.

With that being said, my boat will have at least 2 more non-compliant items, a gopro camera and a cooler full of Corona's. I'll gladly accept any penalties lodged due to the "Cervesa Mas Fina".

Just yesterday, I finished polishing the new gelcoat along the keels of my hulls. The 3-week-long-bottom-job is complete and the boat is reassembled. My wife now has the garage again to park the car, but unfortunately everything is coated in white gellcoat dust. What a mess.

Have a great week and we'll see you guys in Navarre. Argggh!

I found this "Basic Rules of Racing" on the Baltimore Yacht Club's website. Its not as ming-numblingly detailed as some of the other rulebooks, but does cover what looks like the important points of "right of way".

http://www.bcya.com/Misc/BasicRacingRules.pdf

Edited by motivated on Sep 02, 2014 - 08:13 AM.

I'd at least take the spin sail off the boat. That was there is no question. I doubt anyone would say anything if you leave it all on and not use it. It's just extra weight ;).

I don't see how a gopro or cooler with beer would conflict with rules of the class. None of those help the boat go any faster.

Back on the subject of the Juana's race... Just what I've noticed... No one is going to call you out if you have something like an aftermarket sail or tramp. To me all that stuff doesn't matter at a race like this. You may get some dirty looks if you and your crew are way under the 285 number. But in some heavy air I personally could care less how light you are.

I think this class thing is getting too complicated now..

"...this class thing" is the easiest to oblige. What is complicated is explaining to your son/next generation sailor why the under-crewed boat, the boat which sails below the minimum crew weight, and the boat with aftermarket sails is collecting the trophies after you made every effort to oblige the rules and come in seconds behind those that didn't! There is no excuse to not take care of these issues before the boats even hit the water, a simple google search will get you all you need to know about any class. If you have taken home a trophy in the past then those sailors should be the ones setting the example, not skirting the rules.

All one has to do is sail one race in a one design fleet and it becomes quickly apparent how critical weight is on the boat. Like I said earlier, no one is measuring boats or weighing crews. This is why it is important to self police. The H16 with the 180lbs skipper and 70lbs crew doesn't pass muster, neither do aftermarket/afterburner sails. Deviations from class rules create animosity, animosity leads to a fractured class. Fractured classes have poor turnouts at regattas and it is not fun to race by yourself. Lets keep the H16 class strong and competitive and continue to have strong turnouts on the course.

I have 30lbs of segregated lead weight that I can lend to anyone who is interested in getting up to minimum. I do not need it this year as I have been bulking up the last 12 months by drinking beer and eating donuts. I cant say that I'm proud to be sailing with my 70lbs son and still come in well above the 285 H16 min, ...but at least I can get my butt spanked fair and square.

Boz

ps- Karl, great reference from Baltimore. Sounds like you have done your due diligence. Look forward to meeting you.

Karl, this may come in handy also.

nacra55 wrote: Karl, this may come in handy also.

Ron that image is a really nice summary of the basics. Do you know the source of it?

DamonLinkous wrote: [quote=nacra55]Karl, this may come in handy also.

Ron that image is a really nice summary of the basics. Do you know the source of it?

No I don't, something I grabbed at some point so I wouldn't have to keep asking Jerome what the NEW start sequence was. That's a laser class flag. It would make a great sticker.

Tepe: That's some pretty big optimism there....gonna kick everyone's ass. Not only do you party like a 20 year old, you dream like one!

rondog: It is highly unlikely that there will be enough H18s for a separate class, and the Magnums have the same rating as the standard, so you should be racing other H18s boat for boat, but probably in an open class.

Boz: Well said, my friend.

In case anyone is interested, my two cents on the class legal thing......If you have a H16 that isn't class legal, that doesn't mean you can't race. As Boz says, you should at least meet minimum crew weight and have Hobie sails (I would have just said not oversized or square top) to race in the H16 class. If not, you simply take the appropriate corrections to you Portsmouth (handicap) number and race in the open class (like ConnerG said). I suspect that the majority of the violators are in one of two groups. The first are newer folks who don't know much about the rules, haven't dealt with the Portsmouth system much, and aren't too much of a threat to take a trophy. (We were all there once!) The second group are those who cheat, who know they're cheating, who don't care that anyone else knows they're cheating, and who don't care that I'm dissing them right now on the interweb!

See you all Friday!

Edited by rattlenhum on Sep 02, 2014 - 02:35 PM.

these rules all seem very simple and straightforward----almost the same as racing my Porsche.....

DamonLinkous wrote: [quote=nacra55]Karl, this may come in handy also.

Ron that image is a really nice summary of the basics. Do you know the source of it?

I found this as well.

Jerome, I am an optimist! The idea that one of these years, the wind God's decide to blow me past all of you guys is what motivates me to drive 13 hours for this race, and seeing all of the wonderful people! And I resemble that remark.... I do drink like a twenty year old! Love ya brother!

Sorry to go off topic but instead of starting a whole new thread can I just ask simply if the magnum is an identical boat to the classic H18 but just with wings?

Btw, magnum class rules say wings must be run. how firm will the rules be adheared if a racer does not? If someone protested I guess that would be grounds for a DQ? Yes?

Edited by rondog on Sep 02, 2014 - 01:45 PM.

rondog wrote: Sorry to go off topic but instead of starting a whole new thread can I just ask simply if the magnum is an identical boat to the classic H18 but just with wings?

Yes, Hobie 18 Magnum is a Hobie 18 with Magnum (or SX) wings.

rondog wrote:
Btw, magnum class rules say wings must be run. how firm will the rules be adheared if a racer does not? If someone protested I guess that would be grounds for a DQ? Yes?

Don't think there is such a thing as "Magnum class rules".

Don't confuse the fact that the Hobie 18 and Hobie 18 with wings (Magnum) having the same Portsmouth Rating with the Hobie Class Association rules for a Hobie sanctioned race, but it's always up to the race committee and the fellow competitors how much "wiggle room" is allowed. I've raced Hobie events with my wings, it's really an additional weight penalty that I don't need, rather than a benefit in most cases.

The idea that one of these years, the wind God's decide to blow me past all of you guys is what motivates me to drive 13 hours for this race, and seeing all of the wonderful people!

Down south we prefer to get blown by the Wind Goddesses, but to each his own!

Jerome Vaughan
Team Tepe Groupie

Edited by rattlenhum on Sep 03, 2014 - 01:59 PM.

Honestly... If I had to choose, I'd take passing you and Miss Janey over a goddess blow job! Lol We are passing Louisville... Will be sailing in the am!

Wings on or off portsmouth rating for stock 18, two crew, no square top is 71.4. Depending on the wind speed, racing with wings on does slow you down due to extra weight as compared to a non-winged 18. If it is howling I always feel it is an advantage to race with wings on . Just my feeling.

Where is everyone? Tepe Racing is in the parking lot, currently drinking beer.

Dang! You're making me very jealous. I am working today, my son and I leave tomorrow at 0'dark Thirty. We should be in the parking lot for set-up by 11am on Friday (beer in hand).

Cool racing vid to get the juices flowing for this weekend...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjZ1w6hMXM

teperacing wrote: Where is everyone? Tepe Racing is in the parking lot, currently drinking beer.

Ha! rainy morning and still had to do some work, but headed over soon.

Tepe: If I still stayed up all night and had cornflakes in a can for breakfast like you boys, you'd definitely be passing us. Hell, in addition to a good night's sleep, I've been know to require a nap on Saturday afternoon if we finish the distance race quick enough! Regardless of any race scoring cards, Team Tepe are no doubt the Kings of the Good Time Regatta!

See ya' tomorrow, Your Highness!

Jerome Vaughan
Team Tepe Groupie

Somebody, anybody, PLEASE capture and upload some footage!
😀

Karl!!! You have a land cruiser!!!!! You drove off before I could meet you.

The turn out @ Juanas is great as usual. 50 something preregistered and more still popping up.
More info. later today . Wish you could be here Tim .